From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 15 13:04:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20454 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.unlisys.net (mail.unlisys.net [195.21.255.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20440 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mscu.snafu.de!root@unlisys.net) Received: by mail.unlisys.net (Smail3.2.0.96inx) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:04:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mscu.snafu.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04991; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:07:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:07:10 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Private FreeBSD site (UUCP) From: Matthias Schuendehuette To: (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: i'll unsubscribe from isdn-freebsd Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hallo Hellmuth, On 15-Sep-98 Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > The reasons are twofolded - one thing is that most of the private and > commercial users of i4b seem to have a strong consume-only mentality, > and i don't like to be a free outsourced development department. These lines really make bad conscience to guys like me ... at least I used the software īas isī, never begged for additional features and was deeply impressed of the quality of -so called - alpha-releases. It worked for me from the first time on and I was/am very happy not to have to use Linux only for surfinī around via ISDN. What shall I do? Donate you just another ISDN-Card? The software is worth this amount of money at least... Iīm no hacker at all - if Iīm doing programming, I try to make the life/work of my users a bit easier with some shell-scripts, but thatīs it. Iīm a SysOp and (very little) IT-Manager and the only thing I can promise is that Iīm perhaps one of those guys, who are bringing FreeBSD to the large Companies (even if THEY donīt know about it :-). I think this is one goal of the FreeBSD-team worldwide, isnīt it? And ISDN-connectivity is a īmust-haveī for all major OSes nowadays. My long-time goal is to become a (kind of) unix-guru, but even a guru isnīt necessarily a kernel-hacker. Whatsoever - Iīm sad if you quit and I really thank YOU for your work! (All others too, naturally - but thatīs another story...) > The other thing is the reaction or non-reaction in public and private of > the FreeBSD core team regarding an open letter published on -hackers > which indicate that it is neither necessary nor worth nor appreciated > to contribute to FreeBSD and all is fine as long as one shuts up. I cannot imagine that a Joerg Wunsch or an Andreas Klemm or any other member of the core team I know of (from their writings in usenet) have that opinion - really! And phk (as I understood him) hasnīt commited that īopen letterī (which I donīt know) either. Iīm (as you can imagine :-) NO member of -hackers, but this would be a hard disappointment, especially because I prefer the more mature developement organisation of FreeBSD over that of Linux. And I never had the impression that the FreeBSD core-team feels so self-contained, that it resigns of external contributions. But thatīs an opinion from outside ... At least I (!) think that i4b has to become part of the FreeBSD source - it works for private <-> work connections as well as for sppp-connections to ISPīs, the nat-problems seems to be solved, it compiles obviously also to ELF, so what? If I look at the mailing-list, there are more and more newbie-questions, so it seems to work. And even the docs are OK, so I cannot understand the newbies (sorry, but I also had to read these ugly four letters in the beginning: R-T-F-M :-). > But perhaps this is just a mere fantasy and so i'll take a break, > unsubscribe from all FreeBSD mailinglists and do a reality check. I hope so! Happy checking :-) Once again: Thank you for your work - Matthias ********************************************************************* Matthias Schündehütte E-Mail: Solmsstrasse 44 Phone: +49-30-69409824 D-10961 Berlin Data/Fax: +49-30-69409825 GERMANY This message was sent by XF-Mail on FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message