From nobody Fri Aug 4 04:34:17 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RHCXq4tk8z4TsdB for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 04:34:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RHCXq4DMMz3L6T; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 04:34:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1691123659; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=gA41ju7ppv/w1aZBCaM4CwBL2iM13aOZYyALlQce4c8=; b=iT46IX1YK1DBxJMNnkUbDtqKzDQMrCkzI1CMX6IAXBqpJ3XdmIj0kQgMbRdhfHD/k51XgF CFUX3goP0d7446ZWk4cjBxLvm+0/EWoKpYZQKmpIj4J2mFplY23S3MsJrsCkL800p7Ljep HcAOs/HoXB6MVz2bjZXuNTrO57ug5NRDQC8xKKDmjdsA1h3VQkoQp+2pxJEgHcOIcxYCOE YkIf+gJD5Pwoho3kIZaScc48ZfDOJAHoYLTGpq2MgHLmpqNRF9eoKYS/vkvUdw39ilBt5O OFVtFkf/D8Cq9ME9NbQjWgBgS6R93VNDkR9IMWaMqmCVSkdnkxqj8nCb2l27Hg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1691123659; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=gA41ju7ppv/w1aZBCaM4CwBL2iM13aOZYyALlQce4c8=; b=BBeG5D/zlszC1i+hjTbbXEcGwEacS6mlpj+Z0eDnmFnCHPVUflqap5i5PsZJ6X09soB+QT GhFpnkpW1eVJbnaKF39bIEbJnXTNtz1ONnCkYgSm2tq08TdX79veJsOhVYBzFN8hhlotmf j3ZdB8nGQ1RRkD/8mYXZX0FHyj2dudzbbSWM2fjVcnw+NytyIi4Ml0UxirJtLKBBpTWwkv suwqhQjywWFSb4j9MgicDbenKUx5LyYX5qcBdcavi4uTzS14fqmH58T4n4q1uyDkSdB7Sr 6unXQJI0Yd2A+VnfTL5ChiRgJwl37nzXxdSrtDHh0ShsYILMMQSj4yAaZUkWnA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1691123659; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TFykrGOJCesxyaM8/VqYw+b/aoP3PCSaqPeanx/NlJ18PmlDfKi2Pf5Cgbfmpr2UUvAJEJ 4nPgQVlp8kBho6prlHYahNSNYScamSlrHyia37oVHdN+fPOh8O2/5+QWUfvIba5kFM2Nus eVUfJMXl8Vn5NXHkLGF2c8Z9x5+7ApqGkFzTFIgaGtl1g7b+5pMKmSB3QDTI4CGbCciBea 5Mrz+cg1p37QL40aUP3ubp8mR8e1e9dgdJWzlkZciuGYqzuFJPgnkDAtauhZ3WeA0w97Up 8PqGsnhd+y+8slltrsSCdqU3Rym61b2gJXdZijIpnuAR3kA2f2LuWaP78JPYyA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [IPV6:2601:648:8680:16b0:cdd2:66b:dfd1:f731] (unknown [IPv6:2601:648:8680:16b0:cdd2:66b:dfd1:f731]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jhb) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RHCXq1PMxzrtt; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 04:34:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <07405397-366b-9171-0144-9b22caa7868d@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 21:34:17 -0700 List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Subject: Re: Future of 32-bit platforms (including i386) Content-Language: en-US To: Mark Millard , freebsd-arch References: From: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/3/23 2:36 PM, Mark Millard wrote: > John Baldwin wrote on > Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 19:57:08 UTC : > >> On 7/27/23 10:49 AM, shurd@FreeBSD.org wrote: >>> On 2023-05-24 01:35, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: >>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 16:46:51 -0700 >>>> John Baldwin wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4/27/23 10:19 AM, John Baldwin wrote: >>>>>> . . . >> >> It's not just about make tinderbox, it is also about keeping platforms >> viable. One big example is that we probably need to start supporting the >> use of rust in the base system in some form in the not too distant >> future, but rust isn't supported on armv7 on FreeBSD (and someone would >> need to do the work to make that happen). > > I'm confused about the "isn't supported on armv7 on FreeBSD" > claim: Please see https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=254853 as an example. According to that bug at least rustc is not doable under qemu-user which is how armv7 packages are built. -- John Baldwin