From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 9 14:25:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16C6B6F267 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D91491C07 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bB0tN-0003la-H9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:25:05 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:25:05 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:25:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:06:48 +0200 Lines: 90 Message-ID: References: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 14:25:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 06/08/16 21:12, David Christensen wrote: > These sites are useful: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops > http://people.freebsd.org/~bcr/laptop_article.html Thanks for the links! I can't help but think about how current the information on these sites actually is. I mean, article is from 2007 and refers to FreeBSD 4 and 5 (we are talking nearly 10 years here) and I'd like to think that things may have improved a bit since then. :-) There is no info on the T520 in the wiki and the info on the T530 is from 2014. Dunno if it's still current. Can someone verify that? > Dual+ boot is a PITA -- been there, done that, got the scars. I > prefer one small, fast SSD for each OS instance. I'd get a laptop > with an easy to swap HDD/SSD or a laptop that can hold 2+ drives. So people keep saying. I don't quite get why though. I've been playing around with dual boot systems since I ran OS/2 2.1 - which is a few years back BTW. :-) I stuck with OS/2 until Warp4 but even when that was released, IBM had already dug OS/2's grave. During that time I already started to play with Linux and due to frustration with the concept of Linux I went to FreeBSD at v3.3. After seeing the OS/2 boot loader, I always wondered why the other boot loaders out there (esp. the FreeBSD one) weren't more like that one. Today I have a dual boot system at home with FreeBSD for most of my stuff and Windows 7 for gaming and certain apps I cannot get to run with Wine. Have I been missing out on all the fun here? :-P > I've had the best luck with Intel parts -- processors, chip sets, > graphics, sound, networking, etc.. Other brands just cause > problems and/or don't last -- especially NVIDIA. Is this a general rule or are you only referring to mobile adapter from nVidia? > I was looking for a used laptop that is known-good with FreeBSD a > few months back: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2016-March/270997 .html Interesting > > thread. Thanks for the link! > I never bought one, but my searches led me to Dell Inspiron with > second-generation Core i processors. Latitude and/or Precision are > appealing, but it's hard to find examples without NVIDIA or ATI > graphics (other than brand new, which are very expensive). May I ask why you went to all the trouble researching the hardware an then never bought that laptop your wanted? Since I have kept away from mobile hardware for quite a while now, I don't know much about the mobile graphics cards (chips). In both my computer at home and in my workstation in the office, I have an nVidia card installed. Both work very will with the drivers from nVidia. I have real a lot about the open source drivers having "issues". Normally this should decrease for AMD graphics because of the open source nature, but it seems they are mainly targeting the Linux kernel, which doesn't help FreeBSD all that much. What's the deal with nVidia's mobile chips? > Let us know what you buy and your experiences getting FreeBSD onto > it. When I do buy something, I will let you guys know. Currently I am holding myself back, because when looking around I see more and more laptops that I would like to have and there is so much potential for spending *so* much more money than I should, :-) Best, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldZd/hfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7KjrQEAojsu9yAoJKYvCv1WLkfgS+/J WLRfKxUufVm1lFVBkxUBAMSRObnNSsPQW/w4MgIdMkeVlVmBr78gWcT5WWujj0Bn =wGOP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----