From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 8 06:32:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F9916A41F for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:32:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mv@roq.com) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEA843D45 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:32:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mv@roq.com) Received: from p4.roq.com (localhost.roq.com [127.0.0.1]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884A54C641; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:32:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.46.52] (ppp166-27.static.internode.on.net [150.101.166.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872044C5CF; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:32:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4370467F.2050703@roq.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:32:31 +1100 From: Michael VInce User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051019 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alistair References: <436FE7FE.7060702@tyeurgain.free-online.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <436FE7FE.7060702@tyeurgain.free-online.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New user confused by need to do huge upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:32:35 -0000 Alistair wrote: > Hello, All > > I am a user of Linux for many years (and an aged BSD sysadmin from > 1985-1989), but laterly mainly use Gentoo. FreeBSD seemed to be a > good alternative, so I get the 6.0 release a few days after it was > released. > > Being a Gentoo person, I like the ports system, but with limited time > on my hands, I also like the compiled packages. I can get a working > system from packages then compile my own ports as need or want be. Or > so I thought. > > I installed from two CDs, and got a working KDE system. Now, I want > to do Firefox from ports with my own make.conf for P4 optimisation. > Good! So, I sync with the sources using cvsup (just like emerge > --sync) change to the Firefox ports directory, type "make" and enter > dependency hell like has never been known before. Everything that > depends upon GTK2 must be updated before Firefox can be compiled! > > I thought that FreeBSD would be more stable than Gentoo and Linux > distros in general. I now find that there is the most major release > step (5.4 to 6.0) and within a matter of a few days later, both Gnome > and KDE are subject to huge updates that require many hours (or maybe > days - it's not done yet) of CPU time. > > Maybe I am missing something. However, I just cannot see why this is > right. What I thought that FreeBSD would give me that Gentoo did not > is a coherent system within which deveopment was co-ordinated. > Instead, I seem to find the opposite. The core group can offer a > major release of the OS, while missing the fact that two hugely > important development groups are just days off their own major releases. > > Maybe there is a level of sanity I am missing as a newcomer to BSD, > but I would really like someone to tell me where to find it so that I > can stop having to use this bloody Windows laptop to post here ;-) > Check out the UPDATING notes for anything about KDE cat /usr/ports/UPDATING | grep -A 13 -B 3 "kde" | grep -A 14 "20051105" Update your ports tree, then portupgrade your KDE packages, portupgrade -Rk /var/db/pkg/kde-3.4.2 Go to sleep and wake up with the latest KDE and feel good about the fact that you aren't stealing from SCO compared to using Gentoo Linux :) Mike