From nobody Tue Mar 29 20:03:59 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852D51A56367 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd0002fbb550.ebee9b57b021a7be827d148b09565e4d@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KSgW90VYDz3CVj for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:04:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd0002fbb550.ebee9b57b021a7be827d148b09565e4d@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1648584245; x=1651176245; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=9t9msB+0+F2scY/iarlZe03mEP7dQadoiu+0eJW/73g=; b=KZIMsdoeaHIlU3CBn81Fbe2ERRRZ7IyYx4TkhfLBkSA1fb1cSTXI0YDUYjgHiGmJdMlQ068D3vH6sZ+R0yq+moj6i41eCV9Cb2ciaKsehm3N+YKEf/W9oOFPLXj9qQE7oENDm2neI/i4H1XDaU0Li+36fwPSOrFDKBRge7oB160= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkZDAwMDJmYmI1NTAucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:04:01 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:04:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1nZI4N-000Kyd-CI for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 21:03:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 21:03:59 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food Message-Id: <20220329210359.cf548e066c1312f724ef0fed@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <38b7f44-6d54-fec6-c1f0-d3609d301687@safeport.com> <20220327132420.201da20c@archlinux> <20220327212421.adaee52ba708a058e5ef6bd8@sohara.org> <4f3edca7-45ec-b8ae-45dc-9648cced9bfe@kicp.uchicago.edu> <772cf4b0-9e26-3126-ec4b-bd91986883dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20220328055449.8a30774a61f3b298e778ae68@sohara.org> <20220328121115.7d368d32@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20220328213101.b4e8a7c447964ba025d30883@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KSgW90VYDz3CVj X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=KZIMsdoe; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4dd0002fbb550.ebee9b57b021a7be827d148b09565e4d@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4dd0002fbb550.ebee9b57b021a7be827d148b09565e4d@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.708]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.189.3:received]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd0002fbb550.ebee9b57b021a7be827d148b09565e4d@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd0002fbb550.ebee9b57b021a7be827d148b09565e4d@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 14:37:59 -0500 Andrew Gould wrote: > This is a great response and reminder. I would only add that these > developers also have family members and pets that both demand and deserve > their time. They don’t just exist for us; and they deserve their time. Quite so, there are people who I know to have burned themselves out by letting their open source hobby become an obsession that displaced those things in their lives. No names, no hints don't ask - I value their privacy. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith