From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 8 23:53:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01980 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:53:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01900 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:53:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27962; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:52:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199803090752.XAA27962@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marc Slemko cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Someone needs to re-develop "Softupdates" In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 00:30:23 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 23:52:49 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The intent of Kirk is to allow hackers or plain users of FreeBSD to use soft updates any commercial entity wishing to profit from it must first strike a deal with Kirk. Is that simple and we have an e-mail from Kirk to that effect. If you are a commercial entity and wish clarification take it up with Kirk and for the rest us (hackers) the code is free to use. Amancio mckusick@McKusick.COM said: > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:08:38 -0800 > From: Julian Elischer > Organization: Whistle Communications > To: Karl Denninger > CC: hackers@freebsd.org, mckusick@mckusick.com > Subject: Re: kirk's soft-update integration.. > Karl Denninger wrote: > > > > How is this a "poison pill"? > > > > I don't see the problem - FreeBSD, which is what this would go > into, is > > already available in source and object form at no cost or for > the > > reasonable distribution cost (if you buy a CDROM). > > > > > Julian Elischer replied: > > > > the problem is not for freebsd, but ISPs and such who may be > > tempted to use it to put on systems they place at custommer's > > premises. > > > > Whistle has a license, but the GENERIC system as distributed > > probably couldn't have it compiled in. > > > > I myself am not to clear on the terms.. maybe kirk (who is > > CC'd) can give a non-binding "This is what I mean" > interpretation > > for us? It's to whistle's advantage to integrate these changes > > back some time this year, but it's up to each commercial user > > to negotiate with Kirk I guess. > My intent is that the typical FreeBSD user that gets source be able to > use my code. This should cover most of the FreeBSD users. However, > companies like Whistle that want to bundle FreeBSD with a product for > which they do not distribute source code have to work out a license > agreement with me. The goal here is to get commercial companies like > Whistle, BSDI, and Sun to work out a licensing agreement with me while > at the same time allowing me to let the individual non-commercial > users use the code without having to license it. This licensing is > being driven by the fact that I am a self-employed person who needs to > generate a living. While I would love to give all of my code away as I > did for years at UC Berkeley, that is no longer possible. > Kirk McKusick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message