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Date:      Wed, 20 Nov 2019 17:07:44 +0100
From:      Borja Marcos <borjam@sarenet.es>
To:        Jan Behrens <jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de>
Cc:        Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>, Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-fs <freebsd-fs@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: ZFS snapdir readability (Crosspost)
Message-ID:  <CF38B478-3638-4C18-B69F-E589DE9BBB95@sarenet.es>
In-Reply-To: <20191120163437.691abd369ab9c0a6d7d45ff2@magnetkern.de>
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> On 20 Nov 2019, at 16:34, Jan Behrens <jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de> wrote:
>=20
> Security vulnerabilities during backup recovery (e.g. when recovering
> part of the backup but being forced to expose other data as well when
> mounting the system) are still security vulnerabilities. Of course
> limiting the security vulnerabilities to certain moments (partial
> backup recovery) is a nice step forward, but an even better solution
> would be to avoid security vulnerabilities at all times.

True.=20

> The latter requires to either
> (a) never mount snapshots ever, or

Well, they are useful for a reason :)

> (b) only mount snapshots when they are to be *completely* restored, or

Cloning is atomic. Receiving a snapshot stream, sorry, I don=E2=80=99t =
remember :/

> (c) be able to specify the user, group, and mode (unless 700 by
>    default) when mounting or auto-mounting the snapshots, or
> (d) be able to specify a mount point such that the mount point can be
>    within a directory that is not +x for everyone.

Well, there are two options here.

If by restoring snapshots you mean receiving a snapshot stream, you can =
always receive it under
a properly protected dataset. If you intend to mount (ie, clone) it the =
solution is the same. Actually
specifying a mount point when cloning a snapshot is mandatory. You are =
actually creating a dataset.

root@micro1:~ # zfs create unpul/forbidden
root@micro1:~ # chmod go-rwx /unpul/forbidden/

Anything I restore or clone under this dataset will be only accessible =
to root.=20

For example:

root@micro1:~ # zfs clone unpul/UniFi/data@5.11.38 =
unpul/forbidden/testing

(now back to a regular user)

borjam@micro1:/unpul % cd /unpul/forbidden/
/unpul/forbidden/: Permission denied.

Anyway this is not a problem, it=E2=80=99s exactly what you would do if =
you were reading a tape.=20

The real problem is the =E2=80=9Cunexpected=E2=80=9D, automatic, =
unavoidable mounting of the .zfs directory.=20

Or am I missing anything?=20



Borja.




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