From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 2 14:36:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1431C106564A for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57C48FC12 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q42ETlLB007610; Wed, 2 May 2012 08:29:59 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:24:48 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <20120501120654.GA4883@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <201205020619.50474.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> <20120502140956.029cab60.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120502140956.029cab60.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201205022124.49071.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: laptop very hot and noisy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 14:36:07 -0000 Hi, On Wednesday 02 May 2012 19:09:56 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2012 06:19:50 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 May 2012 20:52:11 Polytropon wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 May 2012 13:41:11 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:25:11AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > > > Not a big issue. Make sure you can remember which parts belong where. > > > Make photos if it helps you, or draw some notes. If possible, find > > > the service manual of the device and use it as orientation. But I > > > think such kind of documentation is no longer part of the "end user > > > book present". :-) > > > > > you cannot say this in general. > > I didn't intend to. From my limited experience (considering "modern" > home consumer throw-away laptops and netbooks) there's hardly any > usable documentation. A "start-up guide" is among the few printed > materials. DVDs often contain drivers and a few instructions (e. g. even with the professional class, it is the same. > how to plug in the power supply), but things starting with opening > the device are typically left out. However, I welcome manufacturers > providing service manuals so a skilled user can use them. A typical > problem (as you described) can appear when special screwdrivers, The said thing is that they all have but not all publish them. > glue, spare parts or other tools are needed for repair that cannot > be purchased freely (or easily). In such cases, repair attempts > would often be more expensive than replacing the whole device. Not with the professional class machines. But the chemicals needed are a problem there too. > > > > I've been lucky exploring that my "new" Lenovo Thinkpad T61p can be > > > > This is a different class of machines. They are made to be > > repaired and they are very large. > > Both is correct, and I'm happy of that. :-) The largest screen I ever have had was 13.3". They did not have anything smaller those days. My best experience comes from a 10" LCD. I have had to settle now for 12.5". Ok, it has one plus. The keys are of normal size. And I learned that the machine is very robust again. Erich