From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 15 09:05:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00209 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00189 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA04491; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:11:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:11:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199611151711.MAA04491@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Ulf Zimmermann" From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Router Purchase - the bottom line Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Nov 14, 11:50pm, Dror Matalon wrote: >> Subject: Re: Router Purchase - the bottom line >> >> On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, dennis wrote: >> >> > >> > This discussion is getting really stupid...... >> No doubt about that. > >I didn't followed most of it, because I don't like such high volume threads ;-) > >> >> > >> > Look...all of the mentioned product work fine...if they didnt they none >> > of us would be in business. The original question of cisco 25XX vs >> > ET is a simple one...... >> >> Am I the only paranoid person on this list or are there other people >> that would not feel comfortable running FreeBsd as a router unless >> they were mirroring the disk. FreeBsd are great servers, but if >> anything fails it's the disk. I'd rather not have this extra >> risk on my routers. > >No, you are not. I am totaly paranoid regarding moving parts, like harddisks >primary. Ok, a Cisco has also a fan, but in a 2501 it doesn't matter so much if >it doesn't work, if the machine room is correctly designed. And a 7xxx tells >me, if the temperature gets to high. That are just convient things. > >Right now I am using primary a Cisco Access Pro card, because it only takes the >power from the PC, and a dying PC power supply I haven't had a longer time. > >But it will change to a 72xx soon. > >> >> Also, for our customers we're happy with the Ascend Pipeline 130 >> with built in CSU. You can get one for less than $1200 it does >> Frame and even has an ISDN line for backup. These units >> are the same size of a Pipeline 50 -- not much bigger than most >> modems. Is a Freebsd box with a T1 card and a CSU any cheaper? > >P130 is not bad, but 1.) no other routing protocol beside RIP. Ascend promisded >OSPF in January to be available in February. Still nothing today. Also the P130 >is a P50 in reality. If you ever open one, you will find "P50 T1 CSU" on the >pcb. the mainboard is marked as "P50 with POT interface". I have heard from >people the P130 is not powerfull enough to handle T1 with primary smaller >packets. Don't know how true it is, but I can image it. > >I will will probably sell customer it, because a Cisco 1600 cost the double. > >> >> > >> > 1) you dont have to know unix to use a cisco >> > 2) Ciscos are fine if you have 1 ethernet and 1 T1. More than that >> > they have questionable horsepower.... >> > 2) cisco are just routers....Freebsd boxes are servers also and >> > clearly more flexible and expandable. >> > >> > As for which card to buy...different vendors have different options >> > and features and prices. You have to do your homework to determine >> > which you prefer. >> > >> > db >> > this is so silly...how long does is take to swap a HDD once a year? If your server goes down you're in deep doodoo anyway, even if the router stays up....you're spending thousands extra....an it takes months sometimes to get a new card from cisco if you have a failure, and you can have an entire spare PC available for the cost of a cisco serial card spare. Its nuts.... Dennis