From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 23:08:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221411066233 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from sippysoft.com (gk1.360sip.com [72.236.70.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DFB8FC1A for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.1.38] (S0106001372fd1e07.vs.shawcable.net [70.71.171.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by sippysoft.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0DN8Nb1070921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:08:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <496D1ED6.4090202@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:08:06 -0800 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Sippy Software, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis References: <20090113044111.134EC1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> <496D0FE5.1040903@gmail.com> <20090113222023.GA51810@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> In-Reply-To: <20090113222023.GA51810@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, Eitan Adler , Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Michel Talon Subject: Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become standard compiler?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:08:34 -0000 Brooks Davis wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 05:04:21PM -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: >>> Smells like FUD to me. In all of my reading, I have never seen such a >>> claim. There may be some GPLv3 issues, but I seriously doubt this is >>> one. >> Which leads to my next question: why not upgrade? > > Given the number of FreeBSD using companies who are completely banned the > presence of GPLv3 source from their sites, improvements would have to > be extremely compelling and there would have to be a straight forward > way to produce snapshots of the src tree with out any GPLv3 components > as well as a simple way to build said source tree with a non-GPLv3 > compiler. Crazy idea perhaps, but can we make gcc 4.3 (as well as other GPLv3 components) an opt-in, just like we used to have crypto parts in the good old days when US was trying to limit export of this technology? Then can make both camps happy. Yes, it probably means that more efforts would be required to maintain it and keep code compatible with both versions, but since our current GPLv2 compiler is pretty much frozen it should not be much of the hassle as long as the initial work to support both versions have been done. -Maxim