From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 13 10:21:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29446 for freebsd-questions-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:21:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell3.ba.best.com (root@shell3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29440 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryanw@666.org) Received: (from goolich@localhost) by shell3.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id KAA01172; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: b Message-Id: <199807131720.KAA01172@shell3.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: mp3 & SB16 PnP problems In-Reply-To: <19980713113208.A8495@stratos.net> from "drifter@stratos.net" at "Jul 13, 98 11:32:08 am" To: drifter@stratos.net Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bryanw@666.org, jkb@best.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mr. Drifter - Thanks for the pointer to /etc/rc, I am well aware of that. I would still rather have that support in the kernel, that have to do "soundon" and "soundoff". I don't think you are lazy, inept, etc. I just didn't want you to have to pay $20 when I thought you could do it for free. I apologize if my email made it sound anything like the contrary. I agree that commercial development is a Good Thing. b > On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 07:55:18PM -0700, b wrote: > > There should be no reason to have to pay $20 to use that product, when > > it is possible to get the SB16 pnp working for FREE. > > In my case, it wasn't. And $20 is not that much. > > > > > I laud the efforts of Opensound, > > In fact, commercial support is not only acceptable, it is a good > thing as far as development for FreeBSD is concerned. I appreciate > the core team was willing to put this OS together for > free, but I don't insist that everything I use be free (cost-wise, > or even source-wise). > > > but if you are willing to work at it, > > it is worthwhile to LEARN SOMETHING and configure it with your own > > effort, and with the help of others on the list. It is an invaluable > > experience. > > > > With all due respect, I don't agree with your analysis of the > situation. In fact, I was willing to work at it, and LEARN SOMETHING. > Working with FreeBSD, I have learned quite a bit. However, I must > point out that certain practical realities can change things a bit. > I have worked on this for several months, not days or weeks. > It is not laziness on my part, especially when one considers > that time that could be spent on investigating the finer intricacies of > sound cards are generally spent on other obligations like work, familiy, > etc. (getting SB16 to work isn't important to me :) > > > > Incidentally, I cannot get the ESS Es1868 working with the standard code. > > The OpenSound product works with that nicely. I don't like having to do > > 'soundon' and 'soundoff'. I'd rather have the sound support built into > > /etc/rc :) > > > the kernel. I'll keep trying to get this working without the OpenSound > > product (since I don't want to pay the $20, and will probably just let > > the eval version expire..). > > > > The problem below is that /dev/dsp is linked to dsp0 instead of dsp1.. > > Pnp devices are mapped to 1 instead of 0 (the first device is, anyway). > > I keep forgetting, was the above 2-line graph referring to > Opensound or your efforts to get SB16 working. If it was the latter, I > assure my problems had nothing to do with inproperly linked /dev files. > > > > > Gentle user, please read the documentation that comes with the sound > > driver. > > From me, in the original post: > > > > Numerous questions to mailing lists, USENET > > > groups, sound.doc's, hacking soundcard.h's, etc., etc., ad nauseum. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > It took me far and wide looking for an answer, > > Gentle responder, please read my entire posting before assuming > I didn't read the documentation :) Fact is, I did read it, but that doesn't > mean it is going to work. Every computer and OS setup has unique quirks that > sound.doc's can't cover. > If my posting seemed a bit harsh, it was my frustration with > getting sound to work. It was not a criticism to the FreeBSD team, > Luigi, nor VoxWare, nor did I ever imply it was. I laud their efforts, > but people working for free do not always have the time or resources > to cover every unique situation, nor matter how much they are willing > to try. That's where commercial support can help. > > > > > > In-Reply-To: ; from > > > Jan B. Koum on Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 09:51:46PM -0700 > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 09:51:46PM -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I just compiled 2.2.6-RELEASE with Luigi's pnp code. However, when > > > > I try to play mp3, I get: > > > > > > > > 0wn# ./mpg123 /usr/home/jkb/mp3/*.mp3 > > > > High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2 and 3. > > > > Version 0.59k (1997/07/13). Written and copyrights by Michael Hipp. > > > > Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more! > > > > THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! > > > > Can't open /dev/dsp! > > > > 0wn# ls -l dsp > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 4 Jul 11 22:52 dsp -> dsp0 > > > > 0wn# cat sndstat > > > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (980215) Jul 11 1998 22:26:05 > > > > Installed devices: > > > > pcm1: at 0x220 irq 5 dma 1:5 > > > > sequencer1: at 0x388 (not functional) > > > > 0wn# > > > > > > > > Any ideas? Please cc: me -- I am not on the list currently. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > -- Yan > > > > > > May I take this space to recommend a commercial resolution to > > > your problem? > > > > > > http://www.opensound.com > > > > > > 4Front-Technologies has a commercial sound driver for a mere > > > $20 -- well worth it if you want to avoid the pain and agony. You can > > > download an evaluation copy and test it for a week, before registering > > > for a license. They support a large number of sound cards, including the > > > SB16. I just grabbed it off their site a couple days ago and > > > have been very happy with it. > > > I spent literally /months/ trying to get sound to > > > work properly on my FreeBSD system. I tried both VoxWare and Luigi's > > > PnP sound code, but was only able to get 8 bit sound working most of > > > the time (and 16 bit working 5% of the time, randomly). > > > Though others managed to get SB16 working on their systems, > > > getting my SB16 to work was quite possibly the most frustrating experience. > > > (Even worse than ppp :). > > > Numerous questions to mailing lists, USENET > > > groups, sound.doc's, hacking soundcard.h's, etc., etc., ad nauseum. > > > It took me far and wide looking for an answer, but in the end I found > > > 4Front. Wish I discovered them a long time ago :) > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > -- > > > drifter@stratos.nospam.net (remove nospam to send) > > > "Am I the only one that cringes every time I hear somebody refer > > > to a disk drive as a 'solution'? It's bad enough I have to listen to that > > > marketing hype from vendors, but now it seems to be infiltrating every-day > > > conversation. I'll decide if that 9GB hard drive is a 'solution' to my > > > problem or not, thank you very much..." > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > -- > > b > > > > -- > drifter@stratos.nospam.net (remove nospam to send) > "Am I the only one that cringes every time I hear somebody refer > to a disk drive as a 'solution'? It's bad enough I have to listen to that > marketing hype from vendors, but now it seems to be infiltrating every-day > conversation. I'll decide if that 9GB hard drive is a 'solution' to my > problem or not, thank you very much..." > -- b To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message