From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Mar 4 19: 6:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E6A15109 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20223; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:04:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd020195; Thu Mar 4 20:04:28 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22223; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:04:26 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199903050304.UAA22223@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: freebsd supported To: dwilde1@thuntek.net (Donald Wilde) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:04:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36DF1E41.6113F592@thuntek.net> from "Donald Wilde" at Mar 4, 99 04:58:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > PS: WinICE is what FreeBSD's kernel debugged could be if it grew up. > > Dammit, Terry, instead of making snide remarks, why don't you go bug > Intel for the undocumented register info and MAKE the debugger work that > well! ICEBP is well documented, both in "The Undocumented PC", and in the various MindShare x86 Architecture books. I can't do the work for FreeBSD until it adopts GGI, and supports ELF sections other than merely "BSS", "code", and "data" in the KLD and in the boot loader. The GGI people have been looking for someone (with commit priviledges, obviously) to do a FreeBSD port, and have gone so far as to put the kernel pieces of their predominantly Linux project *in the public domain*. Contingent on these changes, the code would have to be committed to FreeBSD proper if the changes were not made. I'd be happy to do what is, in effect, severable code, once the GGI and section support goes in, since then I wouldn't have to worry about it being committed, since it could be simply a KLD. So back at you: you want applications developement, then provide the interfaces for application developement. I'm not going to do code that can be vetoed; I've tried that before, and it doesn't work. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message