From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 3 02:57:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D1F2291 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x22b.google.com (mail-qc0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BBB2BC2 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id c9so1211445qcz.2 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:57:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=EQxV8k+tD7XxZelNhDNcC/e83AFQkn718b+Mn4eHu4s=; b=ok8u1rCO2bFCTlbLOqFAG+uCJpqUX6JWXw5JXkAls6Y/3LLKxF8L/8XTiuYE16dNgr 8sJKaZJujYq/n0NmqOBtuGu5UqeEqO752AFOTL+vNQrThayQnoOPjpGV6IunRJ0am4cy 8Sxx962NK5J9uqZQfSy3SvgzKFgBCepdc5/tBTW/s6eEuWJWrGnHsHSIN72MnzLwA8P0 zvQMYAOJ16C7W22ppZgzYzKDp0g7aMwlmyKHXSUtzaed4929tTSxHvcAjgra/Y2kAjF4 m7BqbewFLxmZPm8FFSHhDGafj29Oru/EJ7LlktnNHltNBrYGyzsAqExH9umcAo0HL+oK LQpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.49.233 with SMTP id q96mr4481400qga.76.1396493823397; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.50.143 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:57:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140403014419.GA45830@regency.nsu.ru> References: <082a01cf4db9$240d3e90$6c27bbb0$@FreeBSD.org> <201404012240.s31MeIe4073267@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <20140403014419.GA45830@regency.nsu.ru> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:57:03 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QkIi7PI_JhfncYs5dpjcyDdUPtg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market From: Adrian Chadd To: Alexey Dokuchaev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: michael , freebsd-current , Garrett Wollman X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 02:57:04 -0000 No wifi. Someone has to step up and "own" broadcom wifi or this will never change. -a On 2 April 2014 18:44, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 06:40:18PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the >> desktop since, well, before it was called FreeBSD. It's still my >> primary platform for nearly everything (except photo management, which >> drove me to a Mac laptop so I could run Lightroom, and those few > > There are a few alternatives to Lightroom available in Ports Collection, > you might want to give them a try one day. > >> remaining Web sites that still bury all their content inside Flash). > > That's easy: Flash sites should be avoided. Most of them are using this > technology for showing stupid ads anyway, not for something useful. I > still recall a friend of mine actually *loved* that his iPhone does not > support Flash: it essentially enabled (ad|spam)-free Web browsing (alas, > those fuckers had caught up since then). > >> But let's be clear that different people have different requirements >> for a "desktop". My requirements are relatively simple: twm, xterm, >> XEmacs, vlc, LaTeX, xpdf, a Jabber client (psi), $VCS_OF_CHOICE, >> gnucash, and at least two Web browsers (I use Opera for most stuff and >> Firefox for "promiscuous-mode browsing"). [...] >> >> Other people have rather different requirements, and that's OK. But >> let's please not break the applications for which FreeBSD is very good >> now (and has actually gotten substantially better). > > Application availability does not, unfortunately, round up some perfect > desktop. I fear that Linux-centric development of hardware drivers, X.org > and all that shit is getting more and more divergent from FreeBSD, and > soon enough we'll get the situation I haven't seen for some 15 years: we > are again far behind on modern HW support. > > Power-saving techniques, most notably working sleep-resume and competitive > batter life are also our weak points at the moment. I'd like to replace > my old laptop (which runs 8.4-STABLE almost perfectly), but how far can I > go with, say, recent MacBook Pro? > > ./danfe > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"