From owner-freebsd-www Sat Apr 12 08:04:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA06058 for www-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06046 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA15508; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:04:32 -0700 (PDT) To: John Fieber cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Comments on new search page.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:50:11 CDT." Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:04:32 -0700 Message-ID: <15504.860857472@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > useful (connectivity from California to Germany or OZ is unusably > > slow or even non-existant during most parts of the business day now). > > Indiana seems to have a pretty decent German link, often better > than to California! I think the problem is at YOUR end Jordan. > :) Of course it is - I can even point you at the stupid SPRINT router which is causing the problems. However, I can't *do anything* about this and so my only choice is to avoid going across the pond for stuff whenever I can help it! > In the long term, we have to consider our mirrors before we do > anything that would make the web tree grow dramatically. Maybe we should have less mirrors with a greater degree of committment. :-) Seriously, I think we already have a LOT of mirrors in various states of [dis]repair, and what we really need are fewer mirrors with more dedication to running whatever darn CGI scripts or storing whatever mailing list index data is required. Trust me, even if we lost 70% of our existing mirrors as a result of imposing such stringent guidelines, I could get replacements for every one of them in less than 60 days (assuming that we wanted that many replacements). There are at least 2 or 3 new "volunteers" sending messages to me or admin@freebsd.org every day. > Mirrors are fansatic, don't get me wrong, but the really put a > crimp on freedom of design. For example, lots of small CGIs Exactly. In a more well designed environment, the regional user could click on just about any of the options and NOT get sent back to the U.S. (it works both ways, after all) nor would others make similarly goofy transits to get data which should be LOCAL (otherwise, what's the real point of doing all this DNS frobulation and maintanance to create the regional subdomains we have now?). Even the stats are wiggy because of this. I'd like to click on "About this server" and get to see (for example) the *german* stats for the German mirror, not www.freebsd.org's stats. > A "mirror inspector" is one of the web support positions that I > haven't seen much of any action on. :( I think this one's Ulf. Ulf! Wache auf! :-) Jordan