From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 03:12:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12F93F5F4F for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2020 03:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from araujobsdport@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x530.google.com (mail-ed1-x530.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::530]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BszQc523Zz424Q; Fri, 18 Sep 2020 03:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from araujobsdport@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x530.google.com with SMTP id a12so4518922eds.13; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QWXaycTb7GZGqxyaEI8nyyQJgIhTMuic+5r8fYgNm8U=; b=JdTMSAieKckz0sGTxF/hrnDFJEuCA8UughE7yFyhgNsGtNDTanIH8ENXai151irSeF KpENn0D2N1rU1oFkVB+gAgNSTMauOLk195z3P0bP/k3lgcLty32JZd0gzhfxsE0vvCbp 5zuGUm01UYjutbXtidSF3uKS+28eUdo7DzroRJDVxsM185s6LOBnWB0O5tcB1GoQrYRK Ja7zHCDjW+p6O/DKpBUjujMCbLY7LJZv8Eca+NQDW3eHkEzGXNRv+buD3M4CYyV/lRsI l9l9/GYOvZ8I/TslmzJu/vt8GTt5TSzhDu3PykiinADgfTIZU5RZ6HHPtYfuc0hQxzaZ 2eiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531KeAl+UQwGlhFZuHfjTWzlAR9ed4D9GdSBX/QPM8o/8ToglLDO 5DK8GoD9zVQwVi5p1pIdBa5CZNgmuRl180p2wwPuOG4f0Gk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyHFT6FcelhjrGVDKoIb1G2Oe9e+DLwgHxGfu+SR+TPcfhrMpb0dvABCaeRJwxBs0bHDKkjE+frYcjYJaMxeaw= X-Received: by 2002:a50:ab1d:: with SMTP id s29mr37669799edc.246.1600398726723; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:12:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <451538DE-9427-4584-987B-8E4AA26C2981@freebsd.org> <202009171555.08HFtQlB010471@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: <202009171555.08HFtQlB010471@slippy.cwsent.com> Reply-To: araujo@freebsd.org From: Marcelo Araujo Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:11:53 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system? To: Cy Schubert Cc: Daniel Eischen , Maxim Sobolev , Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BszQc523Zz424Q X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.66 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[araujo@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.65)[-0.649]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.989]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.024]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::530:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 03:12:10 -0000 On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 11:55 PM Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <451538DE-9427-4584-987B-8E4AA26C2981@freebsd.org>, Daniel > Eischen w > rites: > > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Maxim Sobolev > wrote: > > > > > > =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BFRe: removing HTTP client please no!!! The current d= rive to "outlaw" > HTTP > > > coming from companies who see all world via web browser. Totally > ignoring > > > the fact that HTTP !=3D HTTPS in particular in cases where reliabilit= y > and > > > lower complexity of the system takes precedence over on-the-wire > protocol > > > security. For example, many internal APIs of AWS EC2 are HTTP. > > > > Agree. And remember the mantra: tools, not policy. > > Since there are so many I'll pick this email to reply to. > > libfetch should be designed to call plugins. An https plugin, http plugin= , > ftp plugin, sftp plugin, and so on. New protocols are added as needed, > preferably to ports before they are mainstream. Old protocols are removed > and moved to ports. People who still need to use old protocols can instal= l > the port which plugs into libfetch. When a protocol becomes stale it's > forgotten, no longer maintained and simply disappears into the ether. > Thinking in this way, very soon we need to remove TCP, UDP, IP and the list growing, they are all stale. > Given that pkgbase will become a reality at some point the line between > base and ports will blur. I expect at some point some of what we see in > base to simply become ports. As a developer of both base and ports, ports > are much easier to maintain than importing into base. > > That's my vision. > > > -- > Cheers, > Cy Schubert > FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org > NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org > > The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >