From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 28 16:28:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C241065672 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7753C8FC45 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YAuW1a00D1HpZEsAAGURvS; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:28:25 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([69.181.141.110]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YGUP1a00i2P6wsM8aGUQKt; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:28:24 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eRxeISc1rmgA:10 a=Jh77GqAbcSgA:10 a=jTWcN5MmAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=39rONKzAbRhi_HFc7LoA:9 a=imXsPEOV4VpuCu2Xr5oA:7 a=nuxBC635afIaBFr_UmANdBWFt4YA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BE5E2C9419; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:28:23 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20081028162823.GB53758@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081028041604.GA38993@icarus.home.lan> <20081028160128.GD3472@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081028160128.GD3472@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Steven Susbauer , questions@freebsd.org, LennyCZ@eml.cc Subject: Re: Looking for the right "FreeBSD.iso" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:28:25 -0000 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:01:28PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:16:04PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:56:56PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote: > > > Jerry McAllister wrote: > > >>> Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste > > >>> 3 CDs > > >>> from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet > > >>> connection. > > >>> So > > >>> wouldn't just 1 DVD-RW do? > > >> > > >> Basically, you are wrong, because you haven't looked far enough in to > > >> things to know that FreeBSD has done it that way from the beginning > > >> (or almost that far back). I have never done a complete install from > > >> a CD or DVD, but just acquired the first disk, booted the install > > >> program and then done the install over the net. I've been doing that > > >> for more than 10 years and am far from being an early adopter. Others > > >> have > > >> done so much longer. > > >> > > >> But, some people are [still] not in the positition to be able to do > > >> installs over the net. Their service is inadequate or, in some > > >> cases they are not even connected, so the whole system is made available > > >> to them on disk as well. > > >> > > >> Actually, I believe, if you are doing just the FreeBSD install, and > > >> not at the same time installing some of the ports, it is still layed > > >> out to need only the first CD even if you are not installing over the > > >> net. But, I haven't checked recent versions. The other CDs contain > > >> the sources for various ports and some special case things. > > >> > > >> ////jerry > > >> > > > This is still the behavior. You can install any of the base > > > distributions for that release with only disc 1, as well as some of the > > > ports. I have had issues booting the netinstall cds for some reason, and > > > installing the distribution from the cd goes faster anyway. > > > > Just make sure that if you choose "src" or "ports", that you properly > > "adopt" your src and ports trees. (This is why I often advocate not > > installing src/ports from CD/DVD/FTP/whatever, and instead using > > csup once the box is up and working). > > Do you really mean 'update' instead of "adopt" > > Otherwise, I don't know what you mean by "adopt" in this context. Nope, I said "adopt" and I do in fact mean "adopt". The below site is for cvsup, but what I'm describing affects csup as well -- it's just the nature of the beast. http://www.cvsup.org/faq.html#caniadopt The simple version of why this is necessary: when you install src or ports from the installation media, there is no associated CVS database to cross-reference what version of the file correlates with what on the cvsup server. The databases are stored in /var/db/sup (or /usr/sup if you're using a very old version of FreeBSD with very old supfiles). Thus, "adopting" means you need to create those databases to make sure the cvsup/csup tools are truly "in sync" with what exists on your filesystem (in /usr/src and /usr/ports). -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |