From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 22:18:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAA51065673 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:18:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFF98FC13 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so1874243ywf.13 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0aLtXwAvx9xYC5dPxj9CYfHfZwaGx1TY6daZ1WKC5fk=; b=TAsIQoaUc2nrXUY0NEJ/XgwKcdW2npyHjgmh7UHfaLNVYQBT+aiZusD/b5C9JyDWxf eX3uk0U1UQ8mJnniAV4DuS+/DgYu+wMNRgUGnKbA6LqDhl4HXxtUVW/cwYF6TGAsVJFo FBQlCx3UQ5DPYRxBWTCyo5iIoKosYEdLa6go8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.51.7 with SMTP id d7mr4993745ybk.426.1311027514399; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.27.21 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110712151858.GA1091@faust> <4E1F554A.90405@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:18:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Tom Evans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Jim Bryant , Zoran Kolic Subject: Re: recommendations for laptop and desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:18:35 -0000 On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Tom Evans wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Jim Bryant wrote: >> stay away from newer hp laptops. >> > > HP also like to lock-down which wifi cards you can use from BIOS - the > machines won't complete POST with a 'bad' wifi card, so that's another > strike as far as I am concerned. > > I've never had problems from modern dell laptops with nvidia graphics. > I'm typing this on a Dell Latitude E6410 - Core i5, iwn wifi, em lan, > nvidia graphics, webcam supported by webcamd... I have a new Lenovo T520 which locks down the WiFi. How rude!! I even tried installing am Intel 6502, a card Lenovo sells with that system, but I still get the 104-unknown wireless card" message. I'm to the point where I am thinking of patching the whitelist in BIOS, but Lenovo's BIOS update is shipped as a CD image (.iso) and contains a single bootable file, [BOOT]. I know trat, if I screw it up, I have a dead MOBO, so it makes me more than a little nervous. I would assume that Lenovo ships its own version of the 6205 with a different PCI ID, but I have failed to find it on their web site. This leaves me tied to the wired GE port. :-( As far as nVidia graphics goes, beware the new nVidia daughter cards shipping with second gen Core i processors (a.k.a. Sandy Bridge). These processors include an integrated Intel GPU (Intel 3000) and nVidia is shipping "Optimus" versions of their GPUs which use the Intel GPU as the frame buffer and for some other (unspecified) functions. There is no xorg support and nVidia has stated very clearly that they have no plans to ever support Optimus cards for any OS but Windows. Since the Optimus versions share the model number of standalone graphics cards with the addition of "Optimus", it's easy to get one of these useless things by accident. I would have if I hadn't been warned at the last minute. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer - Retired E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com