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Date:      Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:43:35 -0500
From:      "Donald J . Maddox" <dmaddox@sc.rr.com>
To:        Stephen McKay <mckay@thehub.com.au>
Cc:        dmaddox@sc.rr.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: No cable modems??
Message-ID:  <20001220024335.B2993@cae88-102-101.sc.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <200012200739.eBK7doB17742@dungeon.home>; from mckay@thehub.com.au on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 05:39:50PM %2B1000
References:  <20001219182739.C61697@cae88-102-101.sc.rr.com> <200012200518.eBK5IsB15659@dungeon.home> <20001220003436.A345@cae88-102-101.sc.rr.com> <200012200739.eBK7doB17742@dungeon.home>

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On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 05:39:50PM +1000, Stephen McKay wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20th December 2000, "Donald J . Maddox" wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 03:18:54PM +1000, Stephen McKay wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, 19th December 2000, "Donald J . Maddox" wrote:
> >> 
> >> >... while talking to frmug.org.:
> >> >>>> MAIL From:<dmaddox@cae88-102-101.sc.rr.com>
> >> ><<< 550 no cable modems here
> >> >554 5.0.0 roberto@keltia.freenix.fr... Service unavailable
> >> 
> >> It's a spam reduction move.  I'm surprised hub.freebsd.org accepts your
> >> mail!  You should funnel your mail through your ISP's central mail hub.
> 
> >I'm not sure I follow this.  Why would I be likely to be a 
> >spammer just because I use a cable modem?  Not sure what
> >you mean about funneling, either.  All my mail does go through
> >my ISPs mail gateway.  Apparently they don't rewrite my headers
> >and I don't masquerade.  Are you saying that I should?
> 
> The idea is that your ISP's mail system can enforce valid return addresses
> and similar things.  People who spam often make up what they like and
> connect directly from their modem (cable or otherwise) to your inbox.
> Removing them from the set of systems that can send you mail reduces the
> amount of spam you receive.
> 
> I checked the headers in your current message.  I assume that
> cae88-102-101.sc.rr.com [24.88.102.101] is a cable modem address,
> not your ISP's mail hub.  So, your system is mailing directly to
> the world.  My system sends all mail to smtp.pacific.net.au (using
> the smart relay host sendmail facility) rather than to the final
> recipient.  That is what I mean by funneling through your ISP's
> mail hub.
> 
> Read http://mail-abuse.org/dul to find out more.

Just for the record, I changed my sendmail.mc to use smarter-host
and masquerade, but it still gets rejected by Ollivier :-(


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