Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:15:54 -0700 From: R Joseph Wright <rjoseph@mammalia.org> To: Brian Clapper <bmc@WillsCreek.COM> Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sysutils/fileutils Message-ID: <20000718171554.A9725@manatee.mammalia.org> In-Reply-To: <200007181945.PAA71019@tributary.inside.willscreek.com>; from bmc@WillsCreek.COM on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 03:45:18PM -0400 References: <20000716134043.A89318@manatee.mammalia.org> <200007181616.BAA25662@home.bsdclub.org> <20000718140737.B1464@hamlet.nectar.com> <200007181945.PAA71019@tributary.inside.willscreek.com>
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On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 03:45:18PM -0400, Brian Clapper wrote: > On 18 July, 2000, at 14:07 (-0500) > Jacques A. Vidrine <n@nectar.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 01:16:37AM +0900, SADA Kenji wrote: > > > In article <20000716134043.A89318@manatee.mammalia.org> > > > rjoseph@mammalia.org writes: > > > >> I do. I use gnuls and would not want to install all of the fileutils just > > > >> to use it. If you do get rid of gnuls, then please create some option that > > > >> would allow the person using the port to decide which of the utils to install. > > > > > > How about removing gnuls from sysutils/fileutils ? > > > > This is bogus. GNU ls is part of fileutils. IMHO, there should never > > have been a gnuls port. > > Perhaps, as maintainer of the "bogus" gnuls port, I ought to clarify my > position on this matter. > > I originally created the gnuls port because I preferred the GNU version of > colorized "ls" to the "colorls" port; it's especially useful to have the > same colorized "ls" program when one is using both BSD and Linux systems, > as I frequently do. I chose to build *just* GNU's "ls" command, because it > seemed silly to install all of the fileutils package, when (a) all I wanted > was the colorized "ls", and (b) BSD UNIX already has perfectly good > versions of the other tools that are in fileutils. > > I believe the case for "ls" is different than the case for the other GNU > fileutils commands. The colorization features embodied in GNU "ls" are > sufficiently different from the BSD stock "ls" and from the "colorls" port > that the GNU version of "ls" is worth having as an alternative. I cannot > say the same for the GNU fileutils programs; for me, they are not > sufficiently "better"that I want to use the GNU versions instead of the > stock BSD versions. > > That reasoning is still valid, from my point of view. If all I want is the > GNU colorized ls, why make me also install GNU's versions of mv, cp, mkdir, > rmdir, mknod, mkfifo, df, ln, du, etc. -- especially when I'm *never* going > to use them? I absolutely agree. > However, removing gnuls from fileutils also doesn't make much sense. If I > install the fileutils port, I expect to get *all* of it, not some arbitrary > subset. > > If there were a way to install a partial port (e.g., select just "gls" from > the "fileutils" port), that would solve the dilemma. But that does not > appear to be possible with the current ports setup. I don't see why not. Ports such as ghostscript allow a number of different choices through a dialog box. But some people find that type of interactive setup annoying, so an easy alternative is to just *leave gnuls alone*. > FWIW, I plan to continue to maintain the "bogus" gnuls port as a separate > entity from the "fileutils" port, if only for my own personal use. It > doesn't really matter to me whether the "gnuls" port is part of the > official FreeBSD ports release or not; I find it useful, so I plan to keep > using it. If enough people feel that it has been superceded by the > "fileutils" port and no longer belongs in the ports collection, then by all > means, remove it with my blessing. For those who still wish to install > *just* gnuls (and not the entire set of GNU fileutils), I'll be sure to > make an unofficial port available from my web site. > > Brian Clapper, bmc@WillsCreek.COM > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message
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