From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 5 10:48:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B56106566B for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@lissyara.su) Received: from hosting.lissyara.su (hosting.lissyara.su [77.221.149.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CBB8FC19 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [195.93.240.104] (port=53816 helo=lissyara.moskb.local) by hosting.lissyara.su with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NnV4s-0007Ps-7s for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:48:18 +0300 Message-ID: <4B90E171.2040808@lissyara.su> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:48:17 +0300 From: Alex Keda User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; ru-RU; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20091202 Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <619814.37821.qm@web59102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4B90CF3E.2070508@lissyara.su> <4B90D557.90504@lissyara.su> <94301EB5-4D6C-4324-93D1-4D5E8660734B@rabson.org> In-Reply-To: <94301EB5-4D6C-4324-93D1-4D5E8660734B@rabson.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-White-List: YES X-Spam-Description: if spam count > 60 - this is spam X-Spam-Count: 0 X-Descriptions: powered by www.lissyara.su X-Bounce-ID: hosting.lissyara.su Subject: Re: propose: all arch move into a separate dir X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:48:21 -0000 On 05.03.2010 12:59, Doug Rabson wrote: > On 5 Mar 2010, at 09:56, Alex Keda wrote: > > >> On 05.03.2010 12:45, Doug Rabson wrote: >> >>> On 5 Mar 2010, at 09:30, Alex Keda wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 05.03.2010 12:17, Robert Watson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> consumers like Isilon, NetApp, Juniper, and many others >>>>> >>>>> >>>> thus, it is not 'Free', this managed by 'consumers like Isilon, NetApp, Juniper, and many others'? >>>> >>>> >>> It might be helpful to think of them as 'customers' who are using our 'product' and paying for it by feeding back patches and employing FreeBSD developers. Normal business practice doesn't include intentionally making your customers' lives difficult - if you make a habit of it they tend to go elsewhere. >>> >>> >> It seems to me, business and freedom - are mutually exclusive things. >> or you can choose the path of development, or who pays - giver commands to community. >> no freedom there. >> > Someone always pays. If this project didn't have sponsors like Isilon, NetApp, Juniper, Yahoo, and many others it simply would not exist. > then can a more correct name of the project or ClosedBSD or ManagedBSD? =) or something abstract? ========== I love FreeBSD, but then having to follow the guidance of someone even though everyone understands what you can do better - depressing.