From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 04:51:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41CC1065672; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:51:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from thyme.infocus-llc.com (server.infocus-llc.com [206.156.254.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9508FC17; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (c-174-50-4-38.hsd1.ms.comcast.net [174.50.4.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by thyme.infocus-llc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F42B37B49B; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:51:13 -0600 (CST) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 578D0177CD; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:51:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:51:12 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Julian Elischer Message-ID: <20120118045112.GH509@over-yonder.net> References: <4F15C48F.7020302@barafranca.com> <20120117224123.GC509@over-yonder.net> <4F16331E.4000702@freebsd.org> <20120118030532.GG509@over-yonder.net> <4F163A6F.8020804@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F163A6F.8020804@freebsd.org> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21-fullermd.4 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at thyme.infocus-llc.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Devin Teske Subject: Re: * Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:51:15 -0000 On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 07:20:15PM -0800 I heard the voice of Julian Elischer, and lo! it spake thus: > > the trouble with 5 was that it had to be all-or-nothing. > > [...] > > the size of the "giant pile of stuff" was not of our choosing. As may be, it's beside my point. Whether due to malice, incompetence, or the unalterable ways of the universe, 5 spent something approaching forever "not ready to release", and depending on who you ask, kept that status until it became known as "6.0". And that, not "4 is awesome", is the principal reason 4 kept chugging so long. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream.