From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 8 00:00:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84099B57 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 00:00:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com (mail-wg0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C9102F62 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 00:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id l18so8172217wgh.16 for ; Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:00:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5tDI30Q0m+PY52JlnweJXLkfxNmhIoWVyDa+b+SJsrY=; b=U/dI+O86EYNRNXwPHKtcnptGcRUCJQFHKCAkxH86cEUZutjLghzL901Wxc+/jrleJv EvJdhwROWuyFTr3+L1RvFdrZEfBlazDNKzzAJzCGg3C5UXePFWYKmhRvwZMC51viKEbO c3k2ylCDwEIou9pqjudVd4SfYMznuNLmhF+z6PG2wiW0z1iSpk2MvB24tKFoYk9yNFT6 RbEiq86bnFE5iyxDYbMVEhy+ZrKu7/GNoyL10jlkvGwKRRhlZrR2jlXyG1gc0FeOPGr4 7aO+GXAR5/bULXdtbKCvFhsXOG+7xFL9EBQ5lA8cu2gs8AUmiROXFroUohVliE/UJBse LF6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.109.132 with SMTP id hs4mr21111302wib.46.1381190444572; Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.73.133 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Oct 2013 17:00:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1E4D92A9-EB10-4469-AA1F-E70D71405732@orthanc.ca> References: <29D748F4-5E38-4587-BC7F-0141234C2F62@orthanc.ca> <6CEFF9B8-A62A-4616-A0FF-BDDDE1027A7E@FreeBSD.org> <132C8A43-E822-49C3-A1EA-493A40449AD4@orthanc.ca> <525347DD.5090702@freebsd.org> <1E4D92A9-EB10-4469-AA1F-E70D71405732@orthanc.ca> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 17:00:44 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fcUCe0jR_0m9dm9DOwYkMYWTFN4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rcs is gone? From: Adrian Chadd To: Lyndon Nerenberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 00:00:46 -0000 On 7 October 2013 16:58, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On 2013-10-07, at 4:49 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. > > Adrian, something to keep in mind is that the majority of your code's > users will never use your preferred communication media. So when you > propose to remove a feature, absence of push-back means nothing, other than > the lack of a communications channel with your 'customers'. > > Oh, I know it's an up-hill battle. But I honestly thought that this had been communicated on a list somewhere. It seems.. not. I don't know why. Gah. > We get this a lot with feature manipulation in nmh, and have learned to > tread carefully as a result. > > This is also why the IETF defines work as being that which takes place on > the mailing lists. Slow and dumb (in the media-rich sense), but everyone > knows what's going on. > > In that light, if there is a rational argument for pulling RCS out of the > base, propose it here on the -current list and let's all discuss it. > I still do suggest also getting a relationship with the FreeBSD foundation and airing grievances with them. They're interested in opening up new communication lines with companies who can provide this kind of feedback but don't necessarily want to be public about it. Thanks, -a