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Date:      Sun, 27 May 2001 18:51:29 -0400
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Subject:   Re: ExBSD
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At 12:00 PM 5/27/2001, Stuart Krivis wrote:
>Unix is unix. Once someone learns one well, it's quite easy to figure out 
>another one. The vast majority of things will transfer right over.

Heck, I can barely get around the differences in Linux distributions, and 
they all claim to be the same OS. :-)  The differences in UNIX OSes can be 
large, and any time I've claimed to have some UNIX experience to anybody in 
a business setting, the question of "Which one?" tends to come up enough to 
make me think it matters to *somebody*.  And try telling that "transfer[s] 
right over" story to a developer who is spending time compiling and testing 
on several different versions of UNIX.


>I'm sure I can find a dozen people who "know"' Windows before finding one 
>skilled Unix admin. Unfortunately, it has been my experience that those 
>Windows admins generally can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground. 
>As a Unix admin, I am constantly having to diagnose problems for Windows 
>admins who can't figure it out. Their overall lack of knowledge is frightening.
>
>As an example, 99% of the Windows admins I have run across think that 
>pinging a mailserver is the way to tell if it is working or not. They have 
>no idea that you can telnet to port 25 and see what's happening or not 
>happening.
>
>You might then reply that they know Exchange and that SMTP, POP, and IMAP 
>are not native to Exchange, so that's why they don't know them. Well, I 
>hear about Exchange a lot too. When it stops working, they call for help. 
>If it's really broken, they just re-install.
>
>[snip, snip]

Well, without insulting Windows admins around the world, it sounds like the 
ones that you've dealt with are idiots.  And by the same token, you sound 
like a pretty smart, experienced person.  Which is exactly my 
point--Windows software is watered down to the point that the average 
schlup can get a few books and a PC and teach himself to be an "expert" in 
his own spare time.  (Which would explain all the philosophy majors turned 
Windows admins, for instance.)  Most decent UNIX users/admins can easily 
figure their way around Windows (whether they actually like the trip or 
not).  The reverse is usually not true.


>Good enough? Yes, Windows is quite mediocre, so I guess that fits the 
>definition of "good enough."
>
>How about using something that is actually "good," instead of just "good 
>enough?"
>
>Easy on the eyes? Yuck. I am not a fan of the Windows look. But that's 
>just m opinion. Do you actually have any proof that Windows is easier to 
>use or easier on the eyes? I didn't think so.
>
>Prevailing on the desktop? Most people don't have much choice. They didn't 
>evaluate all the options and decide that Windows is best for them.
>
>Application availability? How many spreadsheets do I need? How many of the 
>large number of Windows apps actually differ from each other in 
>significant ways? How many of them are actually any good? How much time is 
>wasted because you must reboot constantly when you're installing or 
>removing a Windows app? It makes evaluating apps a real chore.

I remember hearing a materials scientist asking a group of consumers if 
they would like a light bulb that they'd never have to change in their 
lifetimes.  They were all quite eager until they were told that the bulb 
would cost over $80.  Suddenly their 79 cent bulbs that lasted six months 
were acceptable to them.

By the same token, I like being able to walk into any computer superstore 
and grab a box off the shelf for about $30-40 that will do what I need.  I 
like being able to choose from competing products.  Despite my resignations 
about Windows itself, some of the apps are pretty darn good, and I wish 
those guys were developing on UNIX.  But in the meantime, an application 
that does what I need with about 98% reliability (my personal experience 
with Windows) is just fine.  The hunt for UNIX software and the learning 
curve that follows are often daunting to an average schlup like me. :-)

And looks are an issue of personal preference, so I can't argue with you 
there.  But I will say that I like the post-Windows 95 look.  And don't 
even get me started on my opinion font handling (or lack thereof) in the X 
Window System...ugh.

--Chip Morton


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