From nobody Mon Jul 20 11:35:53 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4h3dkZ1WLwz6lnxt for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 11:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo63.interia.pl (smtpo63.interia.pl [217.74.67.63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4h3dkY67dwz3HvP for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 11:36:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 13:35:53 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound To: Sulev-Madis Silber , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org" , rodrigo@osorio.me, vester.thacker@fastmail.fm X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <517030E8-D079-48DD-AE4B-093E93C8F101@ketas.si.pri.ee> References: <517030E8-D079-48DD-AE4B-093E93C8F101@ketas.si.pri.ee> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.2 Message-Id: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=dk; t=1784547358; bh=7hrKwQYgKNvwkeNqtJLUEWlzWq2nFaN0b+Md9cyevPw=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nWGj80igYJv7279F+zzmThvS718v3QpsFbC/DV27jE47K5HUXXBpYzFbNWWO+tpSp mW6/dlpCskd3QeeH3SBieaxW80QRg1pIxxRVmwNV8f8Ib6Gdryj9HPfGZK3VsfD1zV jjyKc7gfBNjy4Iq0Awla7oD1RDjzeASjBQ034mI4= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4h3dkY67dwz3HvP X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Hi. > I downloaded freebsd-tragic-audio-sound.mp4 > file but I didn't hear anything, like there is > no audio track or the sound were very faint. > > Cheers, > -- rodrigo I think You are using a player that does not have needed codec support - I just downloaded that file and played it on my FreeBSD system. Players like mpv/vlc/mplayer does play the needed sound. What player You used? > The recording is valuable because it > demonstrates that the failure exists. > It gives developers something concrete > to reproduce. The next step is to gather > enough information to identify the > responsible component. If I can help try to narrow it - if I use PluseAudio for deadbeef player - and start something that also wants to play audio on PluseAudio - then this *booze* is not there. If I use OSS for deadbeef player - and start something that also wants to play audio on PluseAudio - then this *booze* IS there. Something like OSS <-> PulseAudio conflict ... just guessing. > The goal is not a system that never fails. > That is unrealistic. The goal is a system > where failures leave enough evidence that > they can be understood and fixed. Its just these things worked like a charm ... and now they are broken and no one knows why they are broken ... or how to fix them ... or debug them. Look what was possible not that long ago with 12.2 or 14.1: FreeBSD 12.2 Suspend/Resume https://youtu.be/Hhi-8jQuN60 FreeBSD 14.1 Suspend/Resume https://youtu.be/FA23HfuNiA4 That is the reason that I am so sad - that one of the pillars of FreeBSD got so broken ... > Yeah,me too. I feel your frustration. > That's also mine. Because I'm trying to > fix the audio distortions coming from > the 4 inches display that I want to use > in the FreeBSD based phone that I'm > building. I'm working with Claude and > I'm spending a lot of tokens asking > Fable 5 to fix the problems. Report > after report,it seems very hard to > obtain a clean and robust sound. > I imagine how hard it is to do it > without using advanced AI. Yes, AI can be helpful sometimes. > i wonder if it's audio hw being crap in idle mode? Maybe, but the same 'chip' worked earlier on FreeBSD and worked fine. Regards, vermaden