From owner-freebsd-security Fri Apr 19 18:44:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-in.sc5.paypal.com (smtp-in.sc5.paypal.com [216.136.155.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AB737B400 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xchange2.pa1.paypal.com (xchange2.pa1.paypal.com [10.1.1.37]) by smtp-in.sc5.paypal.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3K1i8c01962 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:44:08 -0700 Received: from stinky.pa1.paypal.com ([10.1.2.6]) by xchange2.pa1.paypal.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id JA43LSXS; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:44:30 -0700 Received: from paypal.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stinky.pa1.paypal.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011D32050; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3CC09913.4010605@paypal.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:24:19 -0700 From: Brian Nelson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020327 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020419161047.0360e970@nospam.lariat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > At 04:07 PM 4/19/2002, Doug Barton wrote: > > >>I long ago forgot what it was like to be a new >>FreeBSD user, > > > This is part of the problem here. We should care a lot about > newcomers' experience, and respect the fact that no matter > how bright they are they cannot learn everything at once. > Expecting a new user to master CVSup is unreasonable. > > --Brett > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message Let's apply this logic to other places in our lives.... Licenses for people with an inability to learn to drive should be easier. Perhaps the DMV should start distributing chauffeurs for those unable to learn to drive? This, of course, will be a free service. People who do not know how to run their own businesses should be given a staff, salary, idea, and business process, all for free. (!) If you don't know how to do dentistry (golsh, that's tougher then CVSup!), there should be an easy, free, "do it at home for free(!)" kit. You simply plug this free device into your mouth and whammo, no dental woes. 'Expecting a new user to master CVSup is unreasonable.' -- sounds liek you're volountering to engineer a solution. Go do it and stfu. Until then, I am adding a to/from/body filter that if it includes your name, it goes right to the trash. When I see the "Super n00b FreeBSD Install by Brett Glass", this filter will be removed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message