From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 10 9:52:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8233D37B400 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6293543E65 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AGqjGd063090; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g8AGqjSo063087; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Joshua Lee Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <20020909220117.5343f09b.yid@softhome.net> Message-ID: <20020910094526.A62741-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Joshua Lee wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > > > > I think you are operating on a Thomistic notion of "faith". Faith > > > > does not take over where reason leaves off. Faith is the > > > > foundation of reason. Reasoning would not even be possible > > > > without faith. I argue that only *Christian* faith can account > > > > for reason, but here I suppose we disagree. > > > > > > Until you prove that through your faith you can reason better than > > > the rest of us, a thesis very much in doubt, this statement is > > > unsupportable. > > > > Well, please go back and read some of my posts to Terry and Dave. > > ROFL! > > > For example, the naturalist cannot account for human reason, since > > according to a naturalist, everything that happens in the human brain > > is just electro-chemical responses in the brain which have nothing to > > do with "truth", "error", "right reason", etc. If a person is a > > A computer programmer cannot account for computer programms, because > they are composed of moving electrons that have nothing to do with: > printf ("Hello world.\n"); Computer programs are not electrons. They are non-material, a set of instructions. Anyway, your point was? > > naturalist, he has no reason to be a naturalist. He must also say > > that other people's beliefs in God are also only the result of > > electro-chemical responses in the brain. He could never know whether > > or not he was right, since every attempt to reason his way to the > > truth is just more electro-chemical responses in the brain, and hence, > > the results of *these* reactions are also suspect. > > If this is an example of your "superior xtian reason", I'll have none of > it. ;-) You know, you could, if you have a point to make, put your money where your mouth is and point out how the argument is fallacious if you really think it is. Your comment hardly counts as a refutation. Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message