From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 10 14:34:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BB216A4CE; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:34:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37A743D8F; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:34:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from tomcat.kitchenlab.org (tomcat.kitchenlab.org [64.142.31.107]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4AEYK6A006141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 10 May 2005 07:34:21 -0700 Received: from tomcat.kitchenlab.org (localhost.kitchenlab.org [127.0.0.1]) by tomcat.kitchenlab.org (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4AEYJgg020857; Tue, 10 May 2005 07:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by tomcat.kitchenlab.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j4AEYIx9020856; Tue, 10 May 2005 07:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: tomcat.kitchenlab.org: bmah set sender to bmah@freebsd.org using -f From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Brian Candler In-Reply-To: <20050510111423.GA7955@uk.tiscali.com> References: <20050509114410.GA2184@uk.tiscali.com> <20050510.005542.95903608.imp@bsdimp.com> <20050510111423.GA7955@uk.tiscali.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-anixHk5L/m8wBZwzTWex" Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:34:16 -0700 Message-Id: <1115735657.20796.15.camel@tomcat.kitchenlab.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port cc: bmah@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: Packaging of base system X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:34:23 -0000 --=-anixHk5L/m8wBZwzTWex Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Brian Candler wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 12:55:42AM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > As this comes up all the time, I'd say just do it. People here will > > talk your ear off. >=20 > OK. I am just a bit dubious about starting a large chunk of work, only to= be > told later "we're not going to commit this, the consensus here is we don'= t > want to do it this way because X / Y / Z" The way to do this (and maybe this is already obvious to you) is to start with as small a chunk of work as you can do (think "proof of concept" or even "implementation notes")...don't try to get it all perfect before putting it out for comments / feedback / bikesheds. In the worst case, if it turns out that everybody hates the idea, you've at least cut your losses. You probably want some early feedback from re@ (once they've recovered from getting 5.4 out). Honestly I'm not sure if I like this idea or not. My most recent experience with a fully packaged system is with RH/FC Linux distributions and many times I feel like I'm in a twisty little maze of RPMs, all different. You seem to be proposing a more coarse-grained packaging, which I think is more workable. > Incidentally, do we have a current status on this? > http://people.freebsd.org/~kientzle/libarchive/libpkg.3.txt > > This looks like a pre-requisite for turning the base system into packages= . You could just email Tim and ask him. Bruce. --=-anixHk5L/m8wBZwzTWex Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCgMZo2MoxcVugUsMRAvopAKC+rM2ZmuaJfcdl+ApCjtd4HIDleACfUbmM nuwaEAvtMYfgEV/71ju43NI= =VYW7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-anixHk5L/m8wBZwzTWex--