From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 4 10:30:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646611065672 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [204.127.217.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AB68FC19 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:25:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from localhost (adsl-68-210-130-165.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.210.130.165]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20111204102533H03005riore>; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:25:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.210.130.165] From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: Message-Id: <20111204103059.646611065672@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:30:59 -0000 >From Mehmet Erol Sanliturk : > Supplying only a console-mode FreeBSD as a release is making FreeBSD > unusable for > peoples who they are not computing experts . > To allow less experienced people to use FreeBSD easily , it is necessary to > include a > selected ports/packages into release distributions , therefore into > so-called BASE as a > /ports or /packages part . > When a new FreeBSD release will be installed , it is becoming necessary to > install many packages additionally , and setting many parameters in the > *.conf , etc. , files to make it usable . One unfortunate situation is that > some packages are NOT working at the release moment . In the packages tree > , it seems that there is no any regular update policy for a specific > release . It is possible to "make port_name" , but this is NOT so much > usable also : For a specific package , which is installing within less > than 30 minutes by pkg_add , required more than eighteen hours by "make > ..." . Reason was that MAKE is an extremely STUPID system ( without BRAIN ) > because , it is NOT able to remember that it has completed making a package > part a few seconds before , and it is starting the same steps to apply up > to the point that it is not necessary to make it once more ( after applying > many steps which was applied before ) . On an old computer with 256 MB RAM, or less, building some of the bigger ports can take many hours. I never dared attempt to build KDE or GNOME! But I don't think PC-BSD runs with 256 MB RAM. In the recent past, FreeBSD releases offered extra iso images with packages, sysinstall even offered to install packages. I tried that once, with FreeBSD 7.0, or was it 7.1 or 6.2, and didn't really get a workable system. GNOME and KDE didn't work. When I tried portupgrading, I messed everything, went back to Linux (Slackware), and when FreeBSD 8.0 was released, cleaned out my old installation, and installed FreeBSD 8.0 fresh. Now, on a new computer, I still use icewm, haven't attempted KDE or GNOME yet. Tom