From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 21:12:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A159016A421; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC4D13C47E; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phi@evilphi.com) Received: from [10.9.70.109] (pool-71-117-232-141.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.232.141]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14964B; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:45:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47531971.5050402@evilphi.com> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:45:37 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <4752827F.20902@gmail.com> <20071202093625.D63241@laptop.unixathome.org> <4752C5BD.7020304@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4752C5BD.7020304@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:12:16 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> Too much talk from people not willing to do the heavy lifting. > > There have been a number of serious attempts and in depth research > into various ports system issues (I still need to wade through a > rather long one sent to me privately)... an other question did you > read the preamble to this thread at all? (where it says I have > volunteered to do the "heavy lifting" for anything that comes out this > discussion [two others privately asked to also be involved]) What he's saying is that there have been many before you who have said and promised the same. Ideas get hashed out and we build amazing bike-sheds, but there has seldom been real product. What you have yet to do is distinguish yourself from history. In short, patches please. Until then, don't expect enthusiastic encouragement. -- Darren Pilgrim