From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 19:37: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from glenfiddich.infospace.com (mail1.infospace.com [206.29.197.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8853737B405 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25329 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 03:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO skyy.inspinc.ad) (206.29.197.191) by mail1.infospace.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 03:36:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 8396 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 03:36:49 -0000 Received: from rolf.inspinc.ad ([10.99.33.65]) (envelope-sender ) by skyy.inspinc.ad (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Apr 2002 03:36:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:36:49 -0800 Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: William Carrel To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00b201c1db61$825e66e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-Id: <322A2C5F-477D-11D6-8361-003065B4E0E8@carrel.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 02:47 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Microsoft does not hire high-school students for technical support, as > far > as I know, not even for first-line support. http://www.microsoft.com/jobs/support.htm The "premier support manager" manages a team of "Technical Account Managers". These TAM's are the people that you actually talk to about your "Premier" support problems. If you look at the job requirements for the Technical Account Manager on the same page, there is no mention of a need for any sort of university degree. That means high-school (or a GED or perhaps nothing at all) is good enough. Gather 'round kids, it's story time... About 6 months ago, I had the unhappy pleasure of working with my company's "Premier" support contact over at Microsoft. The result was that they first blamed the problems I was having with on Apache and FreeBSD for 2 weeks. Then, when I finally managed to get escalated enough to get someone who knew the code, they said they were aware of the problem, but that I should work around it. They agreed that the workaround that I had already found was probably the best way to go. The problem (which hasn't yet been fixed AFAIK) is that when Cache-Control is set to no-cache, and the URL happens to be application/msword or some other type that MSIE wants to use Office to display inside it's window, MSIE downloads it, then immediately expires the file (deleting it from its cache), then starts up MS Word pointing at where the file used to be, MS Word fails (because the file was deleted), lastly MSIE brings up a erroneous and highly misleading dialog that says "Server not responding." In fact, the server *did* respond, but MSIE threw away the response. With this explanation in hand, the service rep told me the problem was first with FreeBSD and then with Apache. (Yes, these were all 100% MS employees, no contractors to blame.) So hopefully you'll understand that I find your claims difficult to believe. From anecdotal evidence of several dozen of professional colleagues I've interacted with, my experience was certainly not atypical. On FreeBSD on the other hand, I've found little nitpicky bugs here and there, and generally had prompt resolution once I actually got someone to look at the PR. *wink wink* Generally the people answering my PR's have not blamed other products for the trouble I've had. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message