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Date:      Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:10:01 -0500
From:      "John C. Place" <jcplace@attglobal.net>
To:        jobs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better
Message-ID:  <19991215221001.A383@attglobal.net>
In-Reply-To: <19991215140220.B12194@dragon.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:02:20PM -0800
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On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:02:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
> > This mailing list would not be the appropriate place for a low priced
> > position such as the one posted, you would be best advised to know your
> > target audience.  In this case you have no only not helped your client,
> > you've left a bad impression on a possible source of future talent.
> 
> And what is *our* target audience?  Had this job been in Sacramento,CA I
> would have considered it.  I wouldn't mind a little temporary side job to
> get away from the University ivory tower (where I only make $11.50/hr.)
> and let my feet touch the ground for a little bit.
> 
I am glad some one said this (I was afraid to because of the heat) I too 
would have considered it for what it sounds like. Getting paid to play, 
though some would say their time is worth more than that (and probably right) 
there is something to be said for seting something like that up and calling 
it your own. No matter what it paid you. 

I am currently making the *close* to the same wage on a P/T supporting a 
couple of sun boxes connected to a T1. The reason I do this is 2 fold. One I 
get a place to do some personal projects hooked up to a T1 for free. Also 
because I am wanting to prove a point to a group of people I work with at my 
*real* job I am replacing their systems with FreeBSD boxes... It is more of a 
labor of love than actully work. And yes I realize I am in the red as time 
goes. That is a personal decsion. 

> I've had a job offer for $90k that I turned down, and I could get a heck
> of a lot more than was offered, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't consider
> it.  Just look at all I for free [grep the CVS repository for "obrien" in
> case you don't know].
> 
even better point, Though I cannot make that same claim (the grep part)

> Let those on this list decided if they are interested in a position
> themselves.
> 
To add to that a bit... For a person in School or starting out it is good 
expirence (and FreeBSD is a wonderful learning platform). It is not taking 
away from any one else. The "big gunns" will stay away becaue of $$ and the 
fact they have no time. Unless it is a little more personal (see above). 

I have been reading this list for some time and have seen similar offers, why 
pick this one to flame? I guess the fact that this person is an alleged "head 
hunter" which are held in the same reguard as pond scum in some circles. 

The thing that irks me a bit is that the great "flame war" broke out over the 
almighty dollar. This on a platform that has the most "open" license there 
is. I just suprised me to see such a passionate argument over a matter of 
money.

I hold the folks that frequent these lists in a higher reguard... I should 
hope this was a fluke.

Just my 2 cents

Thanks for reading

John

John C. Place
Systems Specialist
CTC Distribution Direct - York, PA
placej@ctcdist.com

Those who don't know UNIX are doomed to reinvent it... Poorly


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