From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 20 17:10:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E482C134D3DE for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 17:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boyvalue@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AFC589210 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 17:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boyvalue@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id q70so1422765qkh.6 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 09:10:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=b3XwjfuQsrX/t5fesB6xlvz2Z0a9w2vUPMe3lN3FmkE=; b=LpqflcYofST7QDGqUziX0ZAf+Te2UTbK8O6uvE3SOEGWUCCAf3E4mvyzn71WNA0/+U dyb+Wn8ptq9Aq7Yp6ZPYgn7LXOY7Yijgf2jGpW7o2yc2NSD9ompRgKHz+Aabl91Q1XLu DjdNTduETJUjDuMpH1FlXh7tDlZn0ty5zjK9tqIXdXhMKbLuhe/iYI6N3ACaBWh6Xz3U e53tvGgzYn6L/6/uHbtpPBqWXfb70hAVltepdX4Wp06xXf/Lc3pZCYAIJVy79ctD/6Xx S5vW9ixIGf6EHgR06fcoaOjDnn5NNjSERjx2VgkwbZvficxAILIzfWv884/0X6Y4614w w2Gw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=b3XwjfuQsrX/t5fesB6xlvz2Z0a9w2vUPMe3lN3FmkE=; b=f1Zfzhe2ibBK7labt0CMnvGOH3Qe/h+F+LKOXd2aYgH/vaE+hxucPmsZRkKQoUMYd8 htyFiJWRSiMMI/wwMJOsao94bLq3l1UnpbzMaO9ICAItmtNkuUkMGp+yn+GM/8DTIPFJ 60BMnvHXmmn0cP0ki6JR0WHUVC6yqeo568XKBTGc9VxsKBmuZkiAPnHBUcaw1Dj3tLIm 73HmtLU/0h4RM8s/vBvV1tCtrFy7NpiVHPa9U9x/wvB6YnaSoENzd5oHVG6twrbWqPRO Oeo6iZd55uvTBYV6J/N84rxCizMmvZtIlAqDu+WykLdcGjjECAO/WDs6dcuvXDc3F0rH RUag== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYtENwU2p0a5Of8T6knKGWSGqlsIaaUCKg3+G1K9OsAY4uXf/xQ onDcn4eKB2ASVYQivnjipidFHL3RYCJHPU0EnVU5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XZzO8NjsPOZJBL+sWA0YaD41jt0p2O3di4nSi/0gaqEcqGS7lQTFAVu6GtxDYSq8HKpS5jBc/q/vAtAm3EHPw= X-Received: by 2002:a37:80c2:: with SMTP id b185mr25116588qkd.8.1545325799447; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 09:09:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3ce2cfe1-3a54-b087-4df0-e7598cdaf40d@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: From: Scott Ballantyne Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 12:09:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkg upgrade firefox hoses mate To: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2AFC589210 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LpqflcYo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of boyvalue@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::730 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=boyvalue@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.25)[ip: (-7.98), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.78), asn: 15169(-1.41), country: US(-0.08)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.904,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 17:10:01 -0000 On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:46 AM Carmel NY wrote: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 10:58:47 -0500, Scott Ballantyne stated: > > >On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:26 AM Arthur Chance > wrote: > > > >> On 20/12/2018 15:06, Scott Ballantyne wrote: > >> > Good morning all, > >> > This is on a 10.4-release-p9 freebsd system. > >> > >> 10.4 hit end of life at the end of October so there's no guarantee any > >> port will work with it. You need to upgrade to 11 or 12. > >> > >> > >Yes, so I gather. However, I would draw a distinction between a port > >'failing to work' and > >a port destroying a necessary function of a previously working system... > > To paraphrase something I once heard a speaker say, "It is not the OS's job > to stop a user from shooting themselves in the foot, but rather to deliver > the bullet with a high degree of accuracy." > > I don't disagree with that sentiment in the general case, but when 'user friendly enhancements' are supplied such as binary updates, they should be user friendly. More than once, I have crashed a system with an upgrade/update. > > If you have the option, do a "fresh" install of FreeBSD 12. The > "freebsd-update" program will leave you with more problems. > > So far you have been on target with that observation...