From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Aug 31 01:55:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E5BDF9AE; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 01:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-f45.google.com (mail-io1-f45.google.com [209.85.166.45]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46Kztr2MW6z3LR7; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 01:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-f45.google.com with SMTP id x4so17745216iog.13; Fri, 30 Aug 2019 18:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZIfZggj9toIo5ZvUWoDtnDPGgIY3F/IW8VfjLo7w8Gk=; b=GCDU0An6agiz9uw1S1atc+Wli4Ct/X0pfjieenZUD/eenyjSDhsYi1qu9m12caXDmJ AcAZtMLu6xApae4iP0Kt4f3tbpws5erzrHLlmiafY5IN9DDR9n+swqkS7IRRzEc0lv0S pZBJt0TmePhTSrWuNRcGU5aJgnJKI8Dd1iBD9xGsOgxnjOUIGpE8bte8ZpMXuu+j+Dk/ 4WXhcnQxPvgU4F5WaFc11rVHKWLKHQ8IVqX6qzaX8PlvBrkj822iomrUA5YkfelfNyDg GWTM4IR5Ckaq+GgU+eC34ZWQFzOPq6cKhq/4vjUjxKfmH99oOpw2Y5Zf4BxkQp7+fpqq akLA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVDvd6oXC0kN/jbpEt+C9meEzHantPIWlv8mZr37EqNBwfZEuLl 5Vj20drrVpgYbENMJvibFa8w2H+9Qcx6cJWjmWMcfw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw/OIRsCk3ey0qml76Ht6ZFPpqKJcRrzpsDIHUUj32U3B+etIvX/eJpRxDfFnOFSZD5UC+zwS4tOoGKcmmdvrE= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:881a:: with SMTP id l26mr1460058ioj.185.1567216498988; Fri, 30 Aug 2019 18:54:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190829114057.GZ71821@kib.kiev.ua> <20190830065534.GC71821@kib.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <20190830065534.GC71821@kib.kiev.ua> From: Ed Maste Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 21:54:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCP 20190401-ci_policy: CI policy To: Konstantin Belousov Cc: Li-Wen Hsu , FreeBSD Hackers , fcp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46Kztr2MW6z3LR7 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.27 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[45.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.28)[ip: (-5.67), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.34), asn: 15169(-2.31), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 01:55:01 -0000 On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 02:56, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > When I was (forced to) look into test failures, it was 50 vs. 50 % > of test bugs vs. some legitimately catched issues. Certainly if 50% of reported failures are actually test problems that's much too high. But independent of that, this still suggests the tests were responsible for reporting a good number of issues in advance of developers or end users. > > - The test is difficult to maintain > This is too. My main complain is that to debug a test case, I must strip > all atf* to be able to examine it under a debugger. Yes, this is my biggest complaint about our current test setup. But this impacts the tests' friendliness to developers, but not their efficacy in reporting regressions.