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From: Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>
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Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Garrett Wollman <wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>,
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Subject: Re: tmux(1) in base
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* Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> [090921 09:30] wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 09:19:46AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > * Joel Dahl <joel@FreeBSD.org> [090921 09:17] wrote:
> > > Alfred Perlstein skrev:
> > > >* Garrett Wollman <wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> [090921 06:10] wrote:
> > > >>In article <20090921130346.GY21946@elvis.mu.org> you write:
> > > >>
> > > >>>I think he already explained that it's supposedly much better than
> > > >>>window(1) with a kinder license than screen(1).
> > > >>>
> > > >>>We really ought to ship with a screen(1)-like program.
> > > >>sudo pkg_add -r screen
> > > >>
> > > >>Problem solved.
> > > >
> > > >WORKS GREAT ESP WHEN NETWORK IS DOWN AND SOMEONE NEEDS MY HELP.
> > > >
> > > >WORKS AWESOME ON REALLY OLD MACHINES WHERE PACKAGES NO LONGER
> > > >EXIST.
> > > >
> > > >Note: Apple, which cares more about a usable userland unix than
> > > >we do at this time has screen installed in base as well.
> > > 
> > > OpenBSD has tmux in base...and I've seen discussions on the NetBSD lists 
> > > about importing tmux (as a window(1) replacement) into NetBSD base as 
> > > well...  :-)
> > 
> > I dunno Joel, we wouldn't want to get crazy and ship a system that
> > was usable out of the box, I'd like to go back to a Solaris
> > circa 1999 like system, y'know, kernel+/bin/sh, don't need much
> > more than that y'know...
> > 
> 
> When you install the box, install the port.  This isn't rocket
> science.
> 
> Can we also add perl back to the base system?  It is much more
> useful than tmux/screen.  

1) Perl is dead.
2) We could add something like ruby or python if someone could
get the bootstrap working without build nicely.

-- 
- Alfred Perlstein
.- AMA, VMOA #5191, 03 vmax, 92 gs500, 85 ch250
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