From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 6 19:21:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADE637B401; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6140A43FBD; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h372LDPE018798; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com ([66.92.1.188]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HCYBVC00.766; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:21:12 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:21:11 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" From: John Martinez In-Reply-To: <20030407014624.GC2392@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-Id: <99C05E18-689F-11D7-B7DE-0003937C0B34@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Brilliant and very useful for FreeBSD, IMHO X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 02:21:14 -0000 On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 06:46 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > I don't think eye candy is the FreeBSD way. I also don't see any good > reason to have a special "FreeBSD" GUI. It just means One More Thing > To Learn. > > FWIW, there was a contest for a FreeBSD GUI a few years back, when we > had pretty much nothing. Nobody competed, so we dropped the issue. I can see why. A unified desktop with the other UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems is a good thing, to an extent. I'm glad it's pretty much settled on the two big ones, even though there are many others out there for the minimalists. >> Or else, why would somebody choose DesktopBSD over one of the many >> desktop Linux distributions? > > Because it's easier to use? More reliable? Faster? Those are great points. Points that should be made when selling FreeBSD as a desktop OS, if that's what people want. > If you think it can't be easier to use than Linux if it has the same > GUI, you're looking in the wrong place. I'm not looking for a GUI in FreeBSD. I know the greatness of FreeBSD. I use it every day. I'm content with using KDE on a FreeBSD desktop, where needed. But what about somebody who can't configure X11 if their life depended on it? Right now, the uninitiated shy away and go to Linux for their "alternative" to the big one from Redmond. It's mainly because the GUI starts up at the beginning. >> I prefer BSD myself, and that's one of the reasons I went with a Mac >> with OS X. > > This is probably a good way to go if you like eye candy. > And a whole bunch of other reasons besides. I'm not saying that FreeBSD doesn't make a good desktop. I'm just saying that certain aspects of it need to be changed in order for it to get broader acceptance. If the FreeBSD powers don't want that, then so be it. I'll still continue to use it (and its cousins) because I prefer it to Linux for many of my applications and needs. -john