From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 20:08:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274CC1065673 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:08:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13018FC0C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so438678pbb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:08:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=ZyK23vdHTFLbJSeDUxfRotlTQuJOPIJxYkIsooVrJMI=; b=IB0cEJJWcywpJSZ7FkGPH1iwMkmFl/R4IWKCVGVyn46xCUQgPeIsVqRq1lDOzJLWbk TAZO924Ty4K0Qt7gqxiCyQM0KG/Jyh0AnNvpWvRhJOv2fvwgZ+zq1ncTRpt6Vr913R6C IWUgVG/Sc+y+g9/K/1wNvqGqSblXi9ZqWC+l2xQXrJLYGNpjayqYsEDX4yTkM8LHGBuv ep1/8OrGrCPRv7yIvesM8iOKL1XdhUN8Mas6WHsdyA1/qRj0T/B2fCk+eOrpyP2lA5wz xK3Q8eMAtKVIvD0+oc2NYj2r/HTNTSl+qYteuroIDEVxWIQb58UwAe+aOKzaRNXgiPx2 OlDg== Received: by 10.66.76.130 with SMTP id k2mr40676474paw.19.1345579695482; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fusionlt2834a.int.fusionio.com ([216.51.42.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id th6sm2089962pbc.0.2012.08.21.13.08.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <5033E6BA.8080309@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:08:11 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120820194313.GC23607@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20120821132643.GE37262@felucia.tataz.chchile.org> <20120821134623.GH5044@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <5033D0C0.4030805@FreeBSD.org> <20120821190500.GA46595@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <5033E39C.3060700@FreeBSD.org> <20120821194208.GC46595@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <5033E6BA.8080309@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnNY2i0KUHmauTdqOTfBzlQYBUKkGk3+h25rm1DkVVCxUTa/ZyPoo82MTkTWLUaZWOGExl1 Cc: Garrett Cooper , ports@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:08:16 -0000 On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 8/21/2012 12:42 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:38:04PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >>> On 8/21/2012 12:05 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>>> 1/ if it fits the schedule: get rid of pkg_* tools in current >>>> to be able to have a fully pkgng only 10-RELEASE >>>=20 >>> I think it would fit better with historic precedents to make pkg=20 >>> optional (but default on) in 10, and mandatory in 11. As stated=20 >>> before, I'm fine with removing pkg_* tools from 10 if there is >>> robust support for them in the ports tree. >>>=20 >>> I know you're excited about this project, but let's not lose >>> sight of how big a change this is, and how important ports are to >>> the project. >>>=20 >> That was what "if it fits the schedule" was about. >=20 > I think what I'm trying to say, ever so politely, is that what you're > suggesting isn't even an option, so it shouldn't be discussed. If you are fine with removing them if there's robust support, how can = you also be suggesting that it is impossible and shouldn't be talked = about? Personally, I think we should handle this the same way that other = replacement tools have been done, which is close to what Baptiste has = proposed. If the new tools are totally awesome, we have replaced old = tools. If the new tools are good, but don't cover the older users, we = develop along size. If they are lame, but somehow get committed anyway, = we take 18 years to replace them with bsdinstall. Warner