From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 23 0:42: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from foo31-146.visit.se (foo31-146.visit.se [62.119.31.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1514437B409; Thu, 23 May 2002 00:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by foo31-146.visit.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9E8926AB1C; Wed, 22 May 2002 19:52:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:52:16 +0200 From: Martin Karlsson To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: cjc26@cornell.edu, Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Brad Knowles , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sanskrit numbers (was: French, Flemish and English (was: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha clock.c)) Message-ID: <20020522175216.GA2441@foo31-146.visit.se> Mail-Followup-To: Martin Karlsson , Rahul Siddharthan , cjc26@cornell.edu, Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Brad Knowles , chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020522115950.D47352@lpt.ens.fr> <20020522192335.P47352@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020522192335.P47352@lpt.ens.fr> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5970 BE22 2C33 4D8F 53FD 7E34 66FF 9332 9C92 4660 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Rahul Siddharthan [2002-05-22 19.23 +0200]: > cjc26@cornell.edu said on May 22, 2002 at 13:14:14: > > > > Well, yeah, they're related languages. :) They're both descended from > > Proto-Indo-European. > > They undoubtedly have some sort of link, but is this > "proto-Indo-European" some sort of guess or reconstruction, or is > there actual evidence for it somewhere? Well, it is a guess, supported by "evidence" which make it possible to reconstruct. As there are no written records of anything PIE, the thing linguists do is to look at languages _not_ related to the IE-family. English Swedish Finnish king kung kuningas Finnish is a non-IE language, and kuningas is a very "un-Finnish" word, and thus probably a loan (from another (IE) language). Now, because we know about Grimm's law, and Werner's law, it's possible to apply sound-changing rules _backwards_, and arrive at the conclusion that the word for king in PIE probably was (something like) kuningaz. > How do people arrive at "Hoi(H)nos" and "h3ekteh3" (how do you > pronounce those "3"s?) in PIE? Who are the people who spoke it -- > the Aryans who are believed to have originated from around the > Caspian Sea? If so, how do we know anything about their language > -- is there any kind of record they left behind at all? > > Yes, I suppose I could try look up the book you cited, but I'm > lazy :) Try: The English Language. A Historical Introduction by Charles Barber, for a bit of light reading :) Hope I got this more or less right ;) Cheers, -- Martin Karlsson _ GPG/PGP public key: 0x9C924660 ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) -against HTML, vCards and X -proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message