From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 4 6:41:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBA637B401; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [207.200.51.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AB243E42; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:41:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA4Ec4s14481; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:38:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id gA4Ec4D11351; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:38:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from centtech.com (electron [204.177.173.173]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA4Ec1x11344; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:38:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3DC68642.2040903@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:37:54 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lefteris Tsintjelis Cc: Juli Mallett , Paul Everlund , JT32255@aol.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many? References: <11.162dca8.2af6b3fa@aol.com> <3DC55F74.4000403@cs.umu.se> <3DC62FAF.9053A5F8@ene.asda.gr> <20021104024422.A6945@FreeBSD.org> <3DC684AE.9B56BE4E@ene.asda.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The people who know what Beastie is, already don't care. The people who care aboud using FreeBSD, are most likely not going to think "devil". The people who barely know how to use windows, and don't know what FreeBSD or linux are, will not be a problem. They aren't likely to go to the local computer store and look for a new OS for their puter. The point is null. Besides, who cares if someone is offended? Can we please not change everything in our lives so that some single person in the world won't be offended? Here's what I say: It's a fucking mascot. Get over it. If you don't like it, don't look at it. If it's the only thing you have to complain about in life, then you're doing pretty good.. Eric ps. - that's all "for argument's sake" - don't hang me over it. Lefteris Tsintjelis wrote: > I think you are missing the whole point here. Let me make it a little > more clear to you. Suppose we ask this question to two different types > of people "Hey, what do you think about Beastie? What does it remind you > of?" and show them Beastie. First group is FreeBSD users or users that > know this litle cute, and as you claim "daemon", second group is the the > wide majority of people that know nothing about PCs and hardly even use > Windblows. I wonder what do u think each group will respond to this > question? > > Regards, > Lefteris > > Juli Mallett wrote: > >>* De: Lefteris Tsintjelis [ Data: 2002-11-04 ] >> [ Subjecte: Re: Why Use a Daemon as a Symbol since it alienates many? ] >> >>> Grow ups or not and as ridiculous as it may sound and probably is, >>>these are both good points and they both could have effect on FreeBSD's >>>popularity, the satan looking symbol and the hostility towards Berkeley. >>>As for the symbol, well, I would expect it to look something more world >>>wide acceptable, neutral, and cute, like Penguin is and not as a >>>"demon". We all know the difference between "daemons" and "demons", >>>however, there are plenty of people that don't and as far as popularity >>>goes compared to Linux, well, popular doesn't necessarily mean a >>>"kitchen sink" linux OS, IF HANDLED RIGHT of course, and I am sure that >>>there isn't anyone here that wouldn't like FreeBSD being popular. After >>>all, I think it deserves a lot more than Linux does and the way these >>>third party linux companies such as RedHat and SuSE are handling it. >> >>The fact that we have a number of *very* devoutly religious developers >>who come from religions where there is a figure similar to that which >>people seem to be alluding to, at least in translated written descriptions >>and artistic renderings which may or may not have been based on said >>descriptions, should be a good point, unless someone can believe that >>said people are actually in service of the devil... >> >>If I'm in service of el diablo, I wish someone would tell me... I expect >>better opportunities for sinning and whatnot! >> >>All joking aside, goats are cute, beastie is cute, and I've known a lot >>of people who went to Berkeley who are, to say the least, cute. >> >>It's beyond ridiculous, it's pretentious nonsense! People need to realise >>that "satan" hasn't shown himself to the world at large even in anecdotal >>accounts for quite a while, unless you count political commercials... And >>neither has "god" - you'd think that one way or the other we'd have one of >>them telling us a thing or two in moderately modern times about, at the least, >>what the "devil" actually looks like. >> >>Frankly, I find it more plausible that you're all manifestations of (my) >>deranged imagination, than that "the devil" looks even remotely like Beastie. >> >>uNF uNF Beastie's cute. Grow up. Images are an illusion, in the written >>word doubly so. >> >>Isn't deciding it'd be fun to read -chat now and then in and of itself fun? >> >>Humbug I say. >>-- >>Juli Mallett | FreeBSD: The Power To Serve >>Will break world for fulltime employment. | finger jmallett@FreeBSD.org >>http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jmallett/ | Support my FreeBSD hacking! > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Beware the fury of a patient man. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message