From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 18 14:27:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313A923B1C0 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:27:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48MNVY4tkgz4s7b for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.139.22]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A72E4E620; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 08:08:21 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 08:08:19 -0600 Cc: FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> To: "@lbutlr" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MNVY4tkgz4s7b X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[22.139.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[22.139.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.12)[ip: (0.34), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.17), asn: 160(0.13), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:27:51 -0000 > On Feb 18, 2020, at 5:00 AM, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 > On 17 Feb 2020, at 20:23, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> Why so short End-Of-Life? Why so many fast and short releases? What = for? >=20 > This was vcovered a few years ago (well, =E2=80=9Cfew=E2=80=9D when = the new timelines were being discussed. >=20 >> What was wrong with having one well tested stable system for a long = time? >=20 > The need to ensure systems are running secure software and are not = trivially exploitable. >=20 >> FreeBSD does not seem to be reliable desktop environment >=20 > True for ever non-Apple Unix variant. Most (that is to say nearly all) = FreeBSD installs are non0desktop servers. >=20 I have workstation (desktop) running FreeBSD. One of the systems my = Laptop runs is FreeBSD as well. Nothing unreliable about both. And from = what is said on this list, I=E2=80=99m not the only one. Valeri >=20 >=20 > --=20 > I WILL NOT CARVE GODS Bart chalkboard Ep. 8F11 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++