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Date:      Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:42:56 +0100 (CET)
From:      Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl>
To:        peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Cc:        scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Do we support > 32 drives yet?
Message-ID:  <199810271842.TAA25162@yedi.iaf.nl>
In-Reply-To: <199810271324.HAA10344@bonkers.taronga.com> from Peter da Silva at "Oct 27, 98 07:24:02 am"

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As Peter da Silva wrote...
> In article <199810261835.TAA13230@yedi.iaf.nl>,
> Wilko Bulte  <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl> wrote:
> >??? The HSZ50 backend is not wide scsi. In a BA355 type enclosure you can
> >have 24 disks, using BA35[06] device shelves you can have 6 (backend
> >channels) * 7 (disks per shelf) is 42 disks. Using redundant power supplies
> >in your BA35[06] you are limited to 6 * 6 = 36 disks. I don't see how
> >you get to 84 disks.
> 
> You can run two HSZ50s on a single SCSI bus, with 7 disks on each shelf, for
> a total of 84 disks. You can only assign them to 56 unique LUNs between the

If I understand you right you then have 1x HSZ50 per M-shelf (controller shelf).
Having 2x HSZ50 each in it's own controller shelf gives you the 84 disks in a
total of 12 device shelves. It is not really recommended (performancewise)
to have multiple HSZ50 sharing a single FWD scsi host bus. For HSZ50 you can
get away with this, for HSZ[78]0 you are really throttling things.

And a config like this leaves you out of luck in case a HSZ50 dies ... Dual
redundant pairs of HSZ50 make it considerably more costly.

> two units, though. Digital UNIX doesn't support more than 7 IDs per bus,
> unfortunately, but on FreeBSD you could fit four HSZ50s for 168 drives
> over 112 LUNs. You'd run out of minor numbers before you'd populated the
> third host adapter.

Steel (DUnix 5.0) will probably have wide scsi addressing I suppose.

> Yes, this is way extreme. There's cheaper ways of doing it, but the sparse
> address space and nailed-down device numbers of the System V model is handy
> when you have a lot of hot-pluggable hardware.

It's expensive, but not extreme in the sheer size of the config. Running HSZ
as a sort of glorified SCSI multiplexer is sort of eh... special ;-)

Wilko
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