From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 15 13:16:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EEAB98698 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6830B1369 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-209-65.knology.net [216.186.209.65] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id u6FDGh6x015519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:16:44 -0500 Subject: Re: borderline OT fireox question To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5e4a20fe-51a4-ac10-4f72-23fcc3d04c15@hiwaay.net> <20160714002117.224b64ae@archlinux.localdomain> <8cd76e2e-ed11-7b3b-be75-de6bb4dcc092@hiwaay.net> <20160714063744.snaqwdbmzhd4ndb5@dijkstra.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de> <86r3awnh1i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20160714220944.2f05391f@archlinux.localdomain> <86poqfohta.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <5798a075-66eb-dc37-729b-ba8e72f2e1df@hiwaay.net> <20160715064517.15ffaa62@archlinux.localdomain> From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:22:12 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160715064517.15ffaa62@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:16:46 -0000 On 07/14/16 23:51, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:10:15 -0453.75, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 07/14/16 19:46, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >>> Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions writes: >>> >>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:41:45 -0500, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >>>>> Google and Mozilla are competitors (and therefore Google won't be >>>>> getting anything from Firefox) >>>> Type about:config into Firefox's address bar, then after >>>> ignoring the warning, in the search bar type google . How do you >>>> think works safe browsing and what do you think are the URLs good >>>> for? What is the geo location URL good for? Firefox shares high >>>> amounts of data with Google. >>> This doesn't record personal information. The geolocation feature >>> certainly uses the IP address at which you're currently accessing the >>> Internet to tell where in the world you are at this particular >>> moment, but not *who* you are or what you're searching for. (Unless >>> you're browsing from home, and your ISP is openly sharing your >>> account information with others, then the IP address can't reliably >>> say anything about the who is doing the browsing, just where it's >>> being done.) The Firefox "safe browsing" setting refers to the >>> Google database of malicious/suspicious websites for its >>> anti-phishing protection. It's not recording your every keystroke >>> and feeding it to Google. >>> >>> This is all beside the point. The first sentence in this thread was: >>> >>>> I notice that whenever I start typing text into the serch-bar of >>>> Firefox ... it suggests completions for me, implying that Google has >>>> my identity pegged. >>> That's just downright fallacious. The mere existence of the >>> "suggestion" option doesn't mean every Firefox user's browsing is >>> being tracked, and even if we assume that it did mean as much it >>> does not follow that the entity doing the tracking must be Google. >>> The "suggestions" option has nothing to do with Google *unless* you >>> use Google as your search engine via the Firefox interface.[1] >>> >>> Of course I retrieved that information using Firefox, and for all >>> anyone knows I may have landed on the linked-to page through a >>> Google search, and Google may have deliberately led me to a site >>> chockful of misinformation in order to sustain the large-scale >>> cover-up of its nefarious solar system domination scheme. So maybe >>> that information can't be trusted. >>> >>> [1]: >>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/use-popular-search-suggestions-firefox-search-bar?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Search+suggestions >> As the OP, let me clarify the above. Whenever I start typing text into >> the search bar, it suggests completions *that I have typed in recently >> (last few weeks)*. My 2nd reply clarified that detail, not my 1st >> post, sorry. > That was already clear. It's based on your search history. > > However, Firefox's safe browsing de facto is Google's safe browsing > and the collected data does say much about people living in some areas. > > And therefore the claim "Google won't be getting anything from Firefox" > is a wrong claim. > > Other browsers have other pros and cons, I'm just referring to the > claim "Google won't be getting anything from Firefox". > > People with a special IP/geo location might visit more heterosexuell or > more homosexuell porn sites, might visit more Christian or more Muslim > websites, might visit more racists websites, might visit more tobacco > and liqueur websites, sport websites, etc. than people with other > IPs/geo locations. > > The information about an IP + the information of Firefox's version > and its window size and a few other hints even could be enough to know > exactly what person visited which website. However, even if they don't > know your name, the company knows exactly what groups of people live > in which areas, in a more correct way, than by an averaged old school > statistics. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Wouldn't TOR defeat the geo+IP mapping ? Indeed, since I started using TOR, whenever I visit Google, I have to do a captcha-style click through to get my search results back .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.