From nobody Wed Mar 30 20:08:28 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E652C1A303B2 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KTHYw18Y6z3rFv for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KTHYn0l3JzDw0q for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1648670909; bh=7opqONsgd5B6c7jlm5oWIy8sB8K90l9Hz8/wKkREbt0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KvcaolA1hVyTRuFunKAnxcCOjFbhDC3yxO6y8rAFCp3+slEaFhtO0AihN6ptqqDXX bnDcVJfvmtQ41Lrhl5XEMhMeskdPSuSuIXK6w2/ysfG+4UFIaDpXsaala0n4K9o/MO dZAN6B+p4Vr99PCCmJUPgKCGO2OwjU0J3irBsjN8= X-Riseup-User-ID: 5821246333D0E44AA38FEDEBDB8E2F24BCDEFBAAEA594AEB790E1B6703959C6E Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4KTHYm3YbPz1yQf for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 13:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:08:28 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using a FreeBSD desktop was somehting about dog food Message-ID: <20220330220828.4e66c651@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20220330115445.16cb798e@bigus.dream-tech.com> References: <38b7f44-6d54-fec6-c1f0-d3609d301687@safeport.com> <20220327132420.201da20c@archlinux> <20220327212421.adaee52ba708a058e5ef6bd8@sohara.org> <4f3edca7-45ec-b8ae-45dc-9648cced9bfe@kicp.uchicago.edu> <772cf4b0-9e26-3126-ec4b-bd91986883dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20220328055449.8a30774a61f3b298e778ae68@sohara.org> <20220328121115.7d368d32@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20220328213101.b4e8a7c447964ba025d30883@sohara.org> <20220328173414.0572dd85@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20220329071850.bca73cd201ca6d5d957c532d@sohara.org> <20220329233846.22526db6@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20220330081719.00abd669621d98dd178ab8a3@sohara.org> <20220330115445.16cb798e@bigus.dream-tech.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KTHYw18Y6z3rFv X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=KvcaolA1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:54:45 -0700, Dave Hayes wrote: >Feel free to point out where I have missed anything. Did you provide examples of missing features that are really needed? I'm an advanced Linux user, using a user-centric, not a user-friendly distro. I'm an unskilled FreeBSD user, but nomadBSD is my user-friendly BSD-Ubuntu ;). IOW it comes with an OOTB working window manager and everything a desktop environment should provide. What features are missing? To my knowledge some software is not available by FLOSS and some FLOSS infrastructure is week. For some things to happen strict leadership is required, for some other things to happen a lot of money, domain related knowledge is required. For developing an audio plugin architecture money isn't necessarily required and only moderate domain related skills are required, but strict leadership and restrictions are a pro. If only a single GUI is available, the audio plugin architecture can't run into issues caused by different GUIs. If a leader doesn't allow to fork or start with something completely different, the focus of all developers stays on one audio plugin architecture. Sometimes money makes a difference, compare Google-Earth with Marble. It's self-explaining why money makes a difference here.