Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy <vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM> To: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> Cc: Marco Molteni <molter@logic.it>, security@freebsd.org, "[Mario1-]" <mario1@primenet.com> Subject: Re: security hole in FreeBSD Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970730080923.3844s-100000@mail.MCESTATE.COM> In-Reply-To: <199707301506.JAA04746@rocky.mt.sri.com>
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On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Nate Williams wrote: =)> =)Ahh, but you assume that we haven't ever seen Vinny before. =)> =)Unfortunately, his behavior is 'typical', in that he wants us to do all =)> =)his research and work for him, rather than him spending the time to do =)> =)his own work. He also shows a complete lack of interest in finding out =)> =)solutions to his own problems. =)> =)> I have tried reading the docs and it sometimes fails so what would =)> you do? =) =)What docs have you read? What books have you read? The docs that came with the product. As for books, I don't have that much time to go through reading books because by the time I finish reading it, it'll be too late. =)> Since when have you dealt with me too many times over the last 2 =)> years, you have helped me exactly twice. =) =)Do you want me to drag out my archives and prove you wrong? =) =)> flaming. Most of the people here have more resources than I would which =)> is $$$ since remember I don't get paid to do this sysadmin stuff =) =)*SO WHAT*. Do you think I get paid to answer you? Do you think I've =)ever got paid to do any FreeBSD hacking? It's irrelevant. I'm not the =)person who claims he can read a 500 works/minutes, and who needs no =)sleep at night, and who also 'must have missed all 12 emails discussing =)the same problem in the mailing lists, even though I do read the lists'. I know you don't get paid to answer me but no one pointed a gun to your head and made you answer every question I ask. I never claimed I can read 500 words a minute. I did say I need no sleep at night but do remember, I am still in school so FreeBSD isn't my only thing. And it wouldn't be weird if I missed a whole thread since sometimes when the owners are on vacation, the bbs machine which I have no control of crashes and the mail backlogs on the machine I read the mailing list on crashes too and not until 10 days later, will the machines be back back up. And when I resubscribe again which I did atleast 10-20 times just this year alone, I would miss out on parts of the discussion. =)You don't learn from anything *but* your own mistakes, and then don't =)try to come up with solutions, but rely on someone else to provide them =)for you. I know I wouldn't learn from anything but my own mistakes since if certain things are not in the docs, I would need to ask. =)> and even =)> for the router, you are there physically, I am not so I need to verify =)> things before doing it as a precaution. I don't think you or anyone else =)> here never asked for help from others before. =) =)That's because I and most of the other folks do their research *first*, =)and then ask questions. You continue to whine and complain and show a =)complaint lack of interest in figuring out the solution, and would =)rather have someone spoon-feed you the steps in an easy to do solution You're still forgetting the fact that when you are physically there next to the router machine, it's a night and day difference in figuring things out. But when it's like totally remote, then you do need to verify things first instead of totally screwing it up. Besides, for the serial card, I asked if I had the configuration settings correct and you did post a configuration of yours which worked but when we tried it didn't. And this problem was never covered in the docs. Somehow for whatever reason, the FreeBSD machine would not see the CSU/DSU unless either it was power toggled on/off or we had to issue a few linkup commands in the script. Sorry about that one since I wasn't physically there so I thought it might have been my misconfiguration. =)Unfortunately, there ain't 'system administration for dummies', because =)because a sys-ad requires a broad-base of knowledge, and you with all =)your supposed talents don't take the time to do a good job. I'm trying to do my best at it but the problem is there is only so many hours per day and I can't just drop the entire project and go read books and stuff when the book might not even cover it. =)One thing that my family has taught me is that you end up with better =)jobs by going out of your way to do your current job well. By sitting =)on your duff and relying on people to tell you what to do, you'll never =)get ahead in life. I only wish you could understand this advice, and =)actually apply it. I'll try but with this security incident, it's different because all three of us went into panic since if we had access to the machine now, we would be able to atleast find things. I guess what I need to do is find the time to start reading things but I don't know where to start since things in the computer area become obselete so fast these days anyways. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____]
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