From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 11 05:11:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07415 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA07409 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exalt.x.org by expo.x.org id AA08030; Thu, 11 Apr 96 08:11:03 -0400 Received: from localhost by exalt.x.org id IAA04447; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:10:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199604111210.IAA04447@exalt.x.org> To: sos@FreeBSD.org Cc: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DVORAK keyboard drivers In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:39:18 EST. <199604111139.NAA24011@ra.dkuug.dk> Organization: X Consortium Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:10:59 EST From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In reply to Kaleb S. KEITHLEY who wrote: > > > > > > In the mean time, editing your XF86Config file is the solution. > > > > Is that such a difficult concept? > > > > > > Yes. It's unacceptable. > > > > Humbug. You're just being stubborn. If you're going to assert that > > trivial config file edits are unacceptable then you're opening the > > door for a whole new class of complaints. For example, the ldconfig > > in /etc/rc is wrong for me, and I had to edit it -- unacceptable. > > The gateway config in /etc/sysconfig is wrong for me and I had to > > edit it -- unacceptable. The system didn't have me in /etc/passwd > > when I loaded it, and I had to edit it -- unacceptable. Is that what > > you want? No, I didn't think so. > > > This is getting rediculous, what we are trying to communicate is > that the user shouldn't know about different cryptic options modelines > and whatnot in order to run X. As opposed to knowing cryptic options, commands, and whatnot in /etc/* in order to run UNIX? > Xinside has done a little menubased > tool for this, that is intuitive and easy to use, THAT is what you > are up against not our stubbornness. Get off your high horse. xf86config that does exactly that. > I see absolutely NO reason why > the user should be bothered with whats in Xconfig, its hackers meat > not user stuff, period. I see absolutely NO reason why the user should be bothered with what's in /etc/*, it's hacker's meat, not user stuff, period. > AS for the keyboard layout, that is ONE > line in the tool whith a picklist of the available languages, thats > it, and it'll work on ALL systems, and its damn easy to explain > to the end user. Yeah, it's all in xf86config. > > XKB is now part of the X Consortium implementation. If you want to > > stick your head in the sand, use -xkb or XkbDisable. I suppose you're > > going to tell me that the edits to do this are unacceptable too, eh? > > If you don't want to do even that then stick with R6. > > I think I'll stick with my Xinside server, thankyou.. Good for you. > > > Kaleb "getting grumpier" KEITHLEY > > Thats not even remotely what I feel.... I sense you're holding something back. C'mon, tell us how you really feel. > Could we get back to work now, please... As you like. -- Kaleb "Yes, I am a supreme asshole, deal with it!" KEITHLEY