From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 28 18:25:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA17071 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 18:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17066 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 18:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA04925; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:02:41 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199512290232.NAA04925@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: HELP!!! THIS IS AN EMERGENCY (fwd) To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:02:41 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, grog@lemis.de, cosmos@misery.bssc.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jack@cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <16653.820182386@critter.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Dec 28, 95 09:26:26 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp stands accused of saying: > >> The "best" solution to the basic problem (no Jordan, no wolves this time 8) >> would be better detection/interoperation with BIOS extenders. This is >> kinda problematic though, as none of the deep-down disk hackers consider IDE >> worthy of their spit, and the technical aspects of the problem are >> pretty hairy. > > As the one who spent a lot more than I liked, of time I didn't have, on > getting this particular area of sysinstall working, I kind of resent that > remark, quite a lot in fact :-( Sorry; I'd still hold to the assertion that you don't consider IDE worth your spit, but that you spent the time because you consider FreeBSD is. > I am also on the ata/atapi mailing-list and I can comfortably say that > this entire area is so impossible to handle intelligently and correctly > in all cases, that I'm seriously tempted to not even touch it again, ever. Hmm. Somehow I don't think we could get away with making FreeBSD an IDE-free zone, but it would be nice. > I) a copy of Ontrack Diskmanager version 6.X > * J) a copy of Ontrack Diskmanager version 7.X > * .... You get the idea... This in particular is the "idea" that's most important in this context; it would be nice even just to have an enumerated list of the other products of this type that in use. > It doesn't improve too much that people send error reports which > essentially say "Hey it fucked my harddisk over, die you sucker!!!" Agreed 8( > I personally have 12+ years of OS installation, and have learned that > if I have anything on the disks I care about, I will back it up first, > and I will read any information from the install program very very > carefully, with a very paranoid attitude. But instilling this into the mind of a WareZ-crazed ftp-head is _very_hard_. 8( > Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[