From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 23:28:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447EE1065673 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C608FC0C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so9356635yen.13 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=MKW5GhBiDKDxHkrPmShwljmSH03RkF/AKt8d+8srCvA=; b=biZ20mdFrsnTLt6g0zCFXZKs9Kn2rLRTm/T77HTdzIH+4d+IQan+SNHMaBCZfX7/O4 Zpc2WQonVEr3wbXpo/+glb2XYwKrP++P7WqPsXW726Pak6EZlBXX8mZgNU5jf3W+bM72 EBbKbuATw41xI/ZGuKUd5ftwAQz7xgVVy2+ByGPpRCQlnHE8PyYPlpOOpQBtnwHtDMvO 0M0Qlb+su+uHbej2jdvNulvRCnHW+3y7QBGFEdIaexg+KKVLWkcl9+YthaVCwvRrEfD0 3Gp0PndvwO9Q8wAbbq7mQlaw2QRleI9gk7OoCMchEA51p7xzgv8BrBrY+3ksrZrEvWva 1HEQ== Received: by 10.50.222.137 with SMTP id qm9mr6972435igc.64.1343863716867; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.63] (50-78-194-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.78.194.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dk7sm8367437igb.10.2012.08.01.16.28.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:28:33 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> References: To: Arnaud Lacombe X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnNQFDHnygI3IzAYqvWuQhQnjTFYxmP1NqJAZpXr1O1gyojEnrW1ObO6l2R87nXcZXQEfzw Cc: attilio@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Hackers , Adrian Chadd , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:28:38 -0000 On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd = wrote: >> Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get >> added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most >> recent developer summit weren't @freebsd.org committers - we had >> plenty of representation from companies using FreeBSD. >>=20 >> If you want to participate, just ask a friendly developer who is = going >> to the developer summit to sponsor you in going. You're pleasant in >> person, so I'd have no problem sponsoring you if I am going to an >> event. :) >>=20 > I have a very deep, quasi-philosophical, trouble/problem with that > whole idea of sponsor-requirement to attend a such meeting. There is > just something which does not feel right about it. =46rom my point of > view, this is a matter of common sense, focus is gonna be very narrow > and deeply technical. Attendee should go there only if they think they > will give positive feedback. As for myself, I would not attend a > developer meeting on the fiber-channel over infiniband optimization, > but would attend a developer meeting on next-generation mbuf. >=20 > Now, maybe I'll just push the door of some developer meeting I'd be > interested in during next BSDCan, and see what happen :-) The outcome > might be interesting to study in a social interaction, prisoner > dilemma related, point-of-view. Given how ridiculously easy it is to get a proper invite, there's not = need to be a jerk just to prove an obscure philosophical point about = attendance. There's plenty of time to do that over the technical points = being discussed. Warner > - Arnaud >=20 >> And/or, work with warner to get improvements into the tree and = someone >> will sponsor a commit bit for you. >>=20 >> Perhaps we as developers should more openly publish the results of >> developer summits. But as I said, they're not "closed" - they're just >> "invite only for non-developers." We're not going to exclude anyone >> from coming unless they really ARE going to just sit there and troll. >> You're motivated, you're enthusiastic and you want to see things >> change for the better. You're also not confrontational in person. I >> have no problem with you coming along. >>=20 >>=20 >> Adrian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"