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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 02:56:43 -0000 On Jan 28, 2019, at 2:40 AM, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: >=20 > Good morning, >=20 >> Am 28.01.2019 um 03:53 schrieb Paul Kraus : >> (Open)Solaris already had Linux Brand zones, which I=E2=80=99m sure = helped get there much faster. >> They could already run Linux (user space) in a Zone. >=20 > Yes, but how did they get there? Is there some technical reason > why Linux branded zones are =E2=80=9Eso far ahead=E2=80=9C of = FreeBSD=E2=80=99s Linux > ABI that they can run native Docker images while FreeBSD can=E2=80=99t? >=20 > Or is it just a matter of money and manpower invested? May be. Solaris introduced Containers and Zones in Solaris 10 and over = the life of Solaris 10 added new features. I suspect Linux Branded Zones = was developed along side Solaris Branded Zones (which let you run a = different version of Solaris in a Zone), but Sun was paying for the = development effort. All that was over 10 years ago now and the memory is = not as clear as it was then. Joyent also pays people to develop Illumos / SmartOS.=