From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 10 9:55:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8982F37B400 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAFF43E3B for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8AGtkGd063112; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:55:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g8AGtkLg063109; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:55:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Joshua Lee Cc: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <20020909231609.68ac5883.yid@softhome.net> Message-ID: <20020910095307.X62741-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Joshua Lee wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:30:52 -0700 (PDT) > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > > Correction. Logic and ethics are meaningless without objective > > standards, and objective standards are impossible without appealing > > to something, well, *objective*. "Objective" means that it comes to > > you from the outside, externally, i.e. "not subjective". So > > No, "objective" can operate according to natural law without having to > appeal to an external source. e.g. Kantian ethics. ROFL. You think Kantian ethics are objective? BTW, please explain how you get ethics from "natural law". That's a joke, right? Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message