Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:33:02 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> To: Michel Talon <talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Subject: Re: DPS Initial Ideas Message-ID: <20070512193302.GA24673@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20070512090935.GA13929@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20070512004209.GA12218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <17989.8202.624522.136573@bhuda.mired.org> <20070512090935.GA13929@lpthe.jussieu.fr>
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--UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 11:09:35AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: > Seriously, the FreeBSD package > system is in great need of a profound overhaul, pretending it works well > is complete denial of reality. I hope that young people working on=20 > summer code projects will infuse *new* ideas, and not spend their > vacations polishing inadequate tools. I know that this is your belief, but please try to avoid grasping at straws: there are elements in your argument that are along the lines of "The FreeBSD package system is broken and needs to be fundamentally changed. Rewriting it to use SQLite is a fundamental change. Therefore rewriting it to use SQLite will fix the problems." First figure out what specific problems need to be solved, then figure out how to solve them, not the other way around. So far I have seen little discussion of how SQLite is necessary and sufficient for fixing fundamental issues. The argument in favour of SQL seems to boil down to "It's SQL! You can do more complex queries...if you wanted to". Without a clear demonstration of how this would solve a problem associated with package management, it is not very compelling and basically reduces to change for the sake of change. As I discussed in my email yesterday, there are serious issues to be solved. Some of them can be solved by improving the storage backend of the package database to use a database; but this is in progress using existing tools. Given that this work is happening (or at least will be happening, I am not sure when the SoC officially starts), the best thing is for interested people to work with Garrett to help him achieve the goals of his project. Kris --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQFGRhZuWry0BWjoQKURAhEhAJdq21IHfEXb48sV4ajeTjbsPVciAJ9G6zSu ZwTl/toWmCkIY2wCj2eDNg== =w9uO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2--
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