From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 24 01:12:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02966 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02872 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29525; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:11:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd029511; Wed Jun 24 01:11:29 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA21542; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:11:25 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199806240811.BAA21542@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: option MROUTING To: opsys@mail.webspan.net (Open Systems Networking) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:11:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Open Systems Networking" at Jun 23, 98 06:03:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You could slap a nice pretty GUI on all the config tools for mbone on unix > you want, but until you find a provider who carries MBONE feeds, let alone > even remotely knows what the MBONE is, it isnt going to do you much good. I think Amancio's point, which should be well taken, is analogous to the enabling of RFC1323 and RFC1644 by default in FreeBSD in support of T/TCP, etc.. The counter-argument at the time might have easily been "...but until you find a provider whose terminal server doesn't blow TCP option negotiation...". Instead, the options were enabled by default, and the majority of the Internet is better for it: the terminal servers were modified to meet the challenge. There is a big difference betwwen "Operation not supported" and "Sorry, but your ISP doesn't appear to support MBONE; refer your ISP to the following RFC's: ...". > I have tried sprint, mci, and feist here and not one engineer knew the > difference between the MBONE and a video conferencing ISDN solution. You didn't try very hard at Sprint: Vadim Antonov works there as a network engineer. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message